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When I say that I am veggie there are typically three responses from kids:<br><br><br><br>
1. EWWWW I hate veggies!<br><br>
2. Don't you like meat?<br><br>
3. Oh, all I eat in chicken.<br><br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/stupid.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":sign:"><br><br><br><br>
Ok, A, we eat more then veggies! B, Yes, I used to, but it is sooooo gross to think about now. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/drool.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":drool:"> C, who cares? I'm not blaming you of anything!<br><br><br><br>
Sorry, that is what I would LIKE to say. What I do respond is this<br><br><br><br>
1. Actually, I eat a lot of different things.<br><br>
2. Nope.<br><br>
3. Oh.<br><br><br><br>
It is so agrivating that the word is vegatarian because it gives people the idea that all we do is sit around and munch carrots. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/carrot.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":vebo:"> Not that there is anything wrong with sitting around munching carrots...... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/hungry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":hungry:"><br><br><br><br>
No what I mean?
 

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They're kids, though. Their parents might not have taught them about veg*nism, because, well, some adults don't know much about it, either. It's worse when adults say that kind of thing... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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Not kids kids, like my age, about 14. I know better, they can figure it out..... Plus, some adults say the same things.
 

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I don't really like the term vegetarian, either. People really don't get the lifestyle from its etymology. Anti-meatatarian sounds weird, though.
 

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Actually, on the subject of "kids" - I told one of my campers (aged about thirteen) that I was vegetarian. She says, "I couldn't do it. I can't eat salad more than once a week." Mmm.. misconceptions.
 

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eeewww...carrots. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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ewwwwwww.... salad. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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Oh... 14. Ah, yes, I get that from kids my age, too. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> Many of them resort to quotes off the Simpsons... "you're gonna marry a carrot". Sad.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by CharityAJO</i><br><br><b>Actually, on the subject of "kids" - I told one of my campers (aged about thirteen) that I was vegetarian. She says, "I couldn't do it.</b></div>
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Oh, I get that one ALL the time. And I really don't understand why people feel the need to tell me this...? I'm sometimes tempted to say, 'Well, I can... maybe I'm just a better person than you are?' <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"><br><br><br><br>
Nah, I don't think that would help the cause. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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But isn't that what they're admitting? I think that's why some omnis call vegetarians holier than thou, even when we're minding our own business, and they love it when vegetarians prove them right.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by epski</i><br><br><b>But isn't that what they're admitting? I think that's why some omnis call vegetarians holier than thou, even when we're minding our own business, and they love it when vegetarians prove them right.</b></div>
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Yeah I get that a lot...<br><br>
"I just eat chicken and I can't give up cheese....."<br><br>
They always look guilty when they are eating thier burgers and meat sandwiches in front of me. Oh well, at least they always are intersted in my food I bring and they always say it smells good....<br><br>
Deep down they know we are better for not eating other living things although I get the "Those plants were killed for you" arguement. I always tell them, "No, the strawberry plant was not killed to give me these berries (or whatever plants the food came from)". They never know what to say after that and I have heard some weak arguements..... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><br><br>
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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by StvSpl</i><br><br><b>ewwwwwww.... salad. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"></b></div>
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I strongly dislike salads! I've had so many "vegetarian dinners" at other people's houses that consisted of a mainly iceburg lettuce salad that I only eat them when forced to.
 

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I eat salads all the time, but they're fit for kings!<br><br><br><br>
My favorite is mixed spring greens with marinated and sauteed seitan, roma tomatoes, and toasted pine nuts. Awesome meal, especially with a little Ryvita on the side, with Earth Balance spread.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by zimngir</i><br><br><b>...Deep down they know we are better for not eating other living things ...</b></div>
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That's it - I've had it! Shannon, I'm not picking on JUST YOU but on everyone who, in the past few months, has made comments similar to the one above.<br><br><br><br>
I've had it with all of the self-righteous comments on these boards. We are NOT better than omnis. We're just different. Will everyone PLEASE knock it off with all the "our morals are better" comments?!<br><br><br><br>
I come here to read about new ideas, positivity and other supportive comments. NOT to read one post after another about how much better vegetarians are from omnis.<br><br><br><br>
I'm sick of it and it seems to be getting worse & worse as the weeks go by.<br><br><br><br>
And you WONDER why omnis constantly make snide remarks about veggies? HELLO?! I can't possibly be the only one who sees all of the hypocrisy in SO MANY posts on this board.<br><br><br><br>
Get off your moral highground, you guys, and come back down to earth.<br><br><br><br>
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Here's the deal. We are all people, individuals. We all choose to do different things in and with our lives. We do those things consciously, or unconsciously, via a certain set of ethics, whether we realize it or not. We may all be born morally equal. But, how we choose to live our lives affects ourselves, others, and the world in negative or positive ways, which means we are choosing a moral path that has potential for most good or most bad, and anything in between.<br><br><br><br>
Do I think Hitler was equal to me? Not in ethics. Did he have as much potential as me? Maybe more. After all, look at all he accomplished before he died. I don't think that, even if I wanted to, I could have accomplished the sheer number and size of the tasks he was able to accomplish. If he'd chosen a morally superior code of ethics, maybe he would have accomplished more good, and less bad.<br><br><br><br>
Do I think Ghandi was equal to me? Not in ethics, though I hope I'm getting closer to where he ended up, morally, without the celibacy and so forth. He also accomplished a great deal. Not sure I'll be able to lead a country to self-sufficiency like he did. Maybe if Ghandi had chosen a morally inferior code of ethics, he would have pacted with India's oppressors and helped make sure the company would never see self-sufficiency.<br><br><br><br>
If we all fundamentally believe good is better than bad, then I think you'll realize that one of these two men had superior ethics to the other. I'd like to have gotten hold of Hitler when he was very young, and to do what I could to make sure he saw that what he eventually came to think was good for Germany, was actually bad for all mankind.<br><br><br><br>
So, for us to say that a code of ethics (vegetarianism, and even more so, veganism) is superior to a code of ethics that allows for the bloodshed of animals has some basis in our fundamental human belief in goodness. By the very nature of veganism, vegans believe in least harm and most good (we're talking ethical veganism, of course). None of us are perfect, and probably not even perfect exemplars of veganism, but we chose this path because we believed it to be morally correct, and we hold ourselves to what we consider a higher standard. I think it's hypocritical to say we think ethics that allow for the killing of animals is equal to our own, just different.<br><br><br><br>
Just because we are looking at ourselves from within ourselves and within our own race, and we aren't some omniscient God that can stand outside this conversation and truly determine which ethics is right, doesn't mean that there aren't distinctions between ethics as to which are superior (causing more goodness in the world) to others (causing more badness in the world).<br><br><br><br>
If you can logically prove otherwise, I'd be eager to learn it.
 

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And, BTW, to simplify this whole thing. Every time we make a choice, we tend to want to try and make the "right" choice, the best choice. Does that not imply we believe certain choices are better than others? We may not always make the right choice, and we need to forgive ourselves and one another for that, but we have to stop lying and saying, "Oh, no. You did okay." We have to say, as we often do in these support forums, "It happens. Don't let it get you down. Move on, and remember it so that you can keep it from happening again."<br><br><br><br>
I think one reason the world is going to hell in a handbasket is that too few people are willing to stand up for what's right anymore.<br><br><br><br>
I think the problem here is that people get very defensive, because no one wants to see himself or herself as a bad person. I don't think anyone is bad. I think good people sometimes have certain ethics that cause them to do bad things, whether they think they're doing it for the best or not.
 

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But I like being on my moral highground... It's so comfy up here. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><br><br><br><br>
Seriously, I understand what you're saying, Amy. Instead of saying *we're* better than omnis, perhaps we could say our *choices* are better? I'm not trying to sound like some sort of elitist, but I think we veg*ns make an <b>awesome</b> contribution to the environment/animals/world. That's nothing to be ashamed of. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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epski,<br><br><br><br>
all I'm saying is that I'm tired of reading "I am so tired of omnis thinking they're better than me!" in one post, than in the next reading, "I am SOOOO much better than omnis."<br><br><br><br>
Makes me tired. I think our lives could be a bit easier if we laid off on the high & mightiness - there's a reason people thing vegans are snobs. From reading the boards here, most of them are!<br><br><br><br>
amy
 
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