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So I've been invited to dinner at a restaurant in NYC that lists foie gras on their menu in four different dishes. I'm hesitant to eat there due to the severe abuse these poor birds go through, but if I were to avoid a restaurant because of abuse then wouldn't I have to avoid any restaurant that serves meat? (which is basically every restaurant in existence)
 

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Nope.<br><br>
There are some issues of cruelty that should be patently obvious to even omnivores....veal crates, force feeding ducks, etc. I know it's sort of splitting hairs to me, but it wouldn't eat there, or someplace that serves veal, or someplace where you choose your lobster from the tank.
 

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Yes. To me, this is no different than shopping at the grocery store, or eating at any other omni restaurant. As long as I'm not ordering it, I don't see the issue.<br><br>
Even my omni husband avoids foie gras and veal, but that doesn't mean we wouldn't eat anywhere that served them to others.<br><br>
ETA: This is of course assuming said restaurant could provide me with a vegan meal... which I'd be seriously wondering about at a place with foie gras in four dishes.
 

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Ahh how come I agree with both Iamjen and ashlend?<br><br>
On one hand, most omnis even think foie gras is wrong, and for me it's kind of like fur... something that is socially accepted to be cruel and unfair, so by people wearing/eating it they're making a statement, and they know it. That said, I try to avoid getting over excited and avoiding every single place that sells unethical products, or is affiliated with, owned by, or the owner might once have said hello to an owner of, another company that does unethical things. I think that buying ethical products from unethical companies creates a demand for ethical products which is a good thing.<br><br>
So I think I wouldn't have an ethical problem with eating there, and if a group of friends or family were going I'd go and eat a vegan meal - but I don't think I'd choose to go on my own, because it really does leave a bad taste in my mouth, but that's less of an ethical thing and more of an emotional thing.
 

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I wouldn't choose to eat somewhere that served foie gras, but if I was invited there by someone, and I was fairly sure that they wouldn't be ordering it themselves, I would probably go. I'd like to be able to turn down unethical invitations every time I get them, but having previously done so on occasions, I've found that the tension that it sometimes causes in relationships with family, friends and work colleagues is not worth it.
 

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Maybe.<br><br>
I don't think that foie gras necessarily is worse than other forms of meat.
 

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Eat there and tell the people you are with about foie gras and why they shouldn't order it.
 

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I wouldn't have a problem going there as long as there is something for me to eat. To me, there isn't much difference between foie gras and other types of meat.
 

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Thanks for the responses, I think I am going to go and hopefully there is something for me to eat there other than a salad.
 

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I would eat at a restaurant that served aborted fetus if they had vegan options. We must choose our battles. It's entirely possible to make ideological head ways using consumerist tactics. More vegan meals available in the world means more options that don't directly promote cruelty. The more readily available these option are, the faster and the more animals can be spared some suffering. That's not a popular method of approaching animal liberation. Many consider it a dead end path, but I think it's a back door that leads to somewhere useful.
 

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I've never eaten at a restaurant that served foie gras because I've never been to one. Isn't it only served at expensive restaurants? I have however eaten at <i>many</i> places that serve veal. It's extremely common here for most restaurants and pizza chains to have veal dishes.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Josh James xVx</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2899751"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I would eat at a restaurant that served aborted fetus if they had vegan options.</div>
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I probably wouldn't.
 

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Nope.<br><br>
There are some issues of cruelty that should be patently obvious to even omnivores....veal crates, force feeding ducks, etc. I know it's sort of splitting hairs to me, but it wouldn't eat there, or someplace that serves veal, or someplace where you choose your lobster from the tank.</div>
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I agree.<br><br>
I have protested many places that sell foie gras, and I wish ethical vegans wouldn't support these places. Foie gras necessitates extreme animal abuse.
 

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I would go out of my way to avoid the place. I do think foie gras production is definitely more cruel than most other meat production processes.<br><br>
Yet it would depend on the circumstances. If it was an important dinner and it would mean a lot to the hosts that I attend, then I'd probably reluctantly attend. If it was a casual dinner and it didn't matter if I attended, then I definitely wouldn't.
 

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I do feel theres a difference in how animals used for food are treated. I can understand people who feel it's okay to eat animals, but that their lives should be respected. It IS a disconnect, but with society as it is now, it's one I can understand, and appreciate much more than those who simply don't care at all. Foie gras is TORTURE during the gooses life. Veal crate are torture.<br>
People need to start somewhere with humane feelings, and if it only means caring about how animals are treated while they're alive, that's a good beginning. When I petitioned for humane farming, most of the people doing it did eat meat, but would never accept factory farmed, and never anything like foie gras, or veal.<br>
So no, I would not patronize a restaurant that served that.
 

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So I've been invited to dinner at a restaurant in NYC that lists foie gras on their menu in four different dishes. I'm hesitant to eat there due to the severe abuse these poor birds go through, but if I were to avoid a restaurant because of abuse then wouldn't I have to avoid any restaurant that serves meat? (which is basically every restaurant in existence)</div>
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I wouldn't have a problem going there as long as there is something for me to eat. To me, there isn't much difference between foie gras and other types of meat.</div>
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Also, I don't think you put a degree on suffering of factory farming. I don't know how you can possibly truly know if a veal calf or goose suffers more than a layer hen.
 

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I don't think I'd be <i>allowed</i> in the one restaurant I know serves Foie Gras. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:"> I've protested in front of that restaurant too many times!<br><br>
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