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I'm not really sure what I want to say in this message but I am getting very disheartended by the world, I think I am a little depressed actually but I am just so dismayed at peoples general lack of concern over how we treat our animals in factory farming and in testing, costmetic and drugs etc and even how some people treat their pets. I just feel that no matter what we do it just isn't going to end, I'm not saying that I will go back to eating animals or buying stuff tested on animals but I feel so in the minority. I can't even get my husband to understand. The 'world' it seems to me is fixed in its cruel and selfish ways and it really upsets me. Anyone else feel the same way?<br><br><br><br>
Sorry to be on a downer.<br><br><br><br>
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I go in and out of being completely depressed about the same thing. I don't know what the answer is, but I know I'm personally going to do whatever I can to promote change. It's really all each of us can do.
 

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Jesus is coming back soon, so you don't actually need to worry about the future, just worry about today and do the best you can.
 

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Jesus is coming back soon, so you don't actually need to worry about the future, just worry about today and do the best you can.[/QUOTE<br><br><br><br><br><br>
Sometimes I wish He'd hurry!<br><br><br><br>
Pepper,you are not a downer sweetie.We all feel that way sometimes.<br><br>
There's a lot of rotten stuff going on in the world,but we just continue<br><br>
to do what we do because that's who we are. I believe we make a difference;<br><br>
we may not see the results we would like to see in our lifetime,but we<br><br>
keep on, no matter what. Hang in there.We all know how you feel.
 

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<span style="font-size:small;"><span>Yeah, I feel the same way too sometimes. It's sad to think that I am one of those people. One of those cruel, heartless, animal-eating peoples. I'm trying, trying.<br><br><br><br>
Man. How can something so wrong taste so right? And it's not even good for you...<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/juggle.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":juggle:"></span></span>
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>pepper pig</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I'm not really sure what I want to say in this message but I am getting very disheartended by the world, I think I am a little depressed actually but I am just so dismayed at peoples general lack of concern over how we treat our animals in factory farming and in testing, costmetic and drugs etc and even how some people treat their pets. I just feel that no matter what we do it just isn't going to end, I'm not saying that I will go back to eating animals or buying stuff tested on animals but I feel so in the minority. I can't even get my husband to understand. The 'world' it seems to me is fixed in its cruel and selfish ways and it really upsets me. Anyone else feel the same way?<br><br><br><br>
Sorry to be on a downer.<br><br><br><br>
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On the animal testing for cosmetics, there's hope on the horizon. Europe is taking the first step toward doing the right thing: <a href="http://www.api4animals.org/articles?p=449&more=1" target="_blank">http://www.api4animals.org/articles?p=449&more=1</a>
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>kpickell</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Jesus is coming back soon, so you don't actually need to worry about the future, just worry about today and do the best you can.</div>
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<br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/angel.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":angel:"> and the smily angels will be with him. No need to worry. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/angel.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":angel:">
 

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The world is always changing. We haven't always done the factory farming that we do now, and it could come to an end in the next 50 years. You never know. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I know how you feel, but if we all just get depressed about it and not do anything, nothing will change. We need to change the world, and can only do this with determination, leading by example , educating the world, making our voices heard, dealing with our own emotions and using them in a positive direction.<br><br>
Change does not happen by itself, we have to make it.<br><br>
Blimey where did that all come from lol.<br><br><br><br>
As Gandhi once said -<br><br><br><br>
You must be the change you wish to see in the world.
 

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Let's not hold the future as fixed but focus on making the world a better place day by day.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Vegi Chik</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><span style="font-size:small;"><span>Yeah, I feel the same way too sometimes. It's sad to think that I am one of those people. One of those cruel, heartless, animal-eating peoples. I'm trying, trying.<br><br><br><br>
Man. How can something so wrong taste so right? And it's not even good for you...<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/juggle.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":juggle:"></span></span></div>
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Vegi Chik, don't be discouraged. By coming to VeggieBoards, you're already making the first step. Try a bunch of the faux meat products. Boca Burgers taste just like real hamburgers to me. There's so many fake meat products that going vegetarian today is easier than ever. Even if you don't feel ready to go veg yet, try reducing your meat intake. I did that for 2 1/2 years before I took the plunge. Best of luck to you and hope you find VB a safe and supportive place.
 

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Let's not hold the future as fixed but focus on making the world a better place day by day.</div>
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AMEN!
 

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Vegi Chik, don't be discouraged. By coming to VeggieBoards, you're already making the first step. Try a bunch of the faux meat products. Boca Burgers taste just like real hamburgers to me. There's so many fake meat products that going vegetarian today is easier than ever. Even if you don't feel ready to go veg yet, try reducing your meat intake. I did that for 2 1/2 years before I took the plunge. Best of luck to you and hope you find VB a safe and supportive place.</div>
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Thank you so much! Sometimes I feel like I want to go veggie, and other times it's like, "who cares?". But I do know that when I say I'm a vegetarian but really I'm not..I'm a hypocrite and a terrible person<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wall.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":wall:">
 

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Yes pepper pig, I believe the world is changing. More and more people change their ways every day. I see soy milk in the dairy section at the store. I see mock meat in the freezer section. This was something I never saw when I was a child. The change is slow and sometimes hard to see, but it is there.<br><br><br><br>
I honestly believe that someday, maybe not in out lifetime but someday, omnivores will be a minority.<br><br><br><br>
I can offer no greater proof of change than this: I grew up on a dairy farm, but now I am a vegan. I was once the opposition, but now I am your ally. If someone like me can learn to see the truth, surely others will follow.<br><br><br><br>
So cheer up pepper (and you too Vegi Chik) you are not alone. Together we can and do make a difference.<br><br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sunny.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":sunny:"> A new era is dawning!
 

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I read something a while back that astounded me....it was in a book in this new-agey bookshop...but I found it profound. The statement I read was, "What if the secret was not to try to change the world, but to learn to love the world instead." Since reading that I've been working on learning to love my own part of the world...Everyone wants their own kind of change after all...we have wars over people wanting the world to change to fit their own definition of 'what right for everyone.' But what if that's not the point. What if everyone could learn...or be taught...to simply love the world...if you love something you might most probably want to take care of that thing rather than trashing it...<br><br><br><br>
who knows...I just really appreciated reading that little bit of wisdom.<br><br><br><br>
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Yes you're right bethanie, love, caring and kindness is what changes the world for the better, not hate.<br><br>
After I wrote the initial message I started to think - who am I to say what other people do is wrong and though I am not religious now I did remember something from my christian upbringing and that was - let him without sin cast the first stone, and I am definately not without sin so I will live and let live, carry on giving out leaflets and hopefully change others by example.<br><br><br><br>
thanks all<br><br><br><br>
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I read something a while back that astounded me....it was in a book in this new-agey bookshop...but I found it profound. The statement I read was, "What if the secret was not to try to change the world, but to learn to love the world instead." Since reading that I've been working on learning to love my own part of the world...Everyone wants their own kind of change after all...we have wars over people wanting the world to change to fit their own definition of 'what right for everyone.' But what if that's not the point. What if everyone could learn...or be taught...to simply love the world...if you love something you might most probably want to take care of that thing rather than trashing it...</div>
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I don't know, this sounds a bit apolitical to me, and I don't think anyone can afford to be apolitical.<br><br><br><br>
If everyone who is now trying to change values and practices would simply "love the world" and only focused on their own attitudes, that would be pretty detrimental to any prospect of a better future. We can't just hold hands and make a mere wish that everyone else will magically join us without any external influence. Deeply held values and beliefs - like that animals are instruments for our use - require some external force to question them.<br><br><br><br>
I think this is the way any progressive steps in history were made possible. Slavery wasn't abolished because the abolitionists personally didn't "trash the world" but didn't comment on the views or actions of the slave-holders; women didn't get the right to vote because men suddenly realized that they should love the world and that this would somehow entail giving women the right to vote, etc. I think all steps forward have originated from criticism, conflict and influencing society, not by doing one's mere personal share and then resting complacent.
 

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Yep, as Margaret Mead said "Never let it be said that a small group of commited individuals can't change the world- indeed it is the only thing that ever has" (or words to that effect anyway)
 

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it was in a book in this new-agey bookshop...but I found it profound. The statement I read was, "What if the secret was not to try to change the world, but to learn to love the world instead."</div>
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I think that it is quite absurd to think that's it's a good thing to try to learn to "love the world" no matter what the world is like. Bethanie, what if the world was filled with people who happened to despise people or your race and that, because of your race, you got beaten to a bloody pulp on a regular basis and were told that you were going to get tortured to death before you reached age a certain age? Would this still be a world that you would want to learn to "love"? Would you think about how much you love the world as you are getting severely beaten and think how you love the people who are beating on you (after all, they are just part of the world)? Would you think that the secret is "not to try to change the world". I can't imagine how anyone could think they would.<br><br><br><br>
And what if it wasn't you that was getting beaten regularily but it was people of a different race? Would you then think that it's good to love the world while they get beaten and tortured? I definitely hope not. I think that a sensible person who cares about others would not love a world like this and would try hard to change the world. And in this world, there billions of animals that are killed every year (and forced to live in torturesome conditions) and if people care about the lives of these innocent animals and realize that they should be allowed to live good lives, then it's natural to not love the world (at least the aspects of the world that cause these animals to suffer) and it's natural to then try to change the world.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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I just feel that no matter what we do it just isn't going to end, I'm not saying that I will go back to eating animals or buying stuff tested on animals but I feel so in the minority. I can't even get my husband to understand. The 'world' it seems to me is fixed in its cruel and selfish ways and it really upsets me. Anyone else feel the same way?</div>
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Pepper_pig, major forms of animal exploitation won't end overnight just as slavery didn't end overnight but there could still be a day when the majority of people in the world believe that many kinds of animals deserve good treatment. Every year, there are more people who are becoming concerned about animal rights and the number of people could grow faster if people support organizations that discover really good ways of getting animal rights ideas out to people. There are some people who simply are unwilling to listen to ideas about animal rights, so I think people should just focus their efforts on trying to get ideas out to people who are often more open to listening to ideas about animal rights (like young people). Your husband may not be willing to listen to certain ideas about animal rights, but he's just one person, and he may change at some later time or he may encounter some arguments at some later time that make more sense to him.<br><br><br><br>
I find it frustrating that the animal rights movement is growing so slowly at this point in time and I think there could be many things done to help make it grow faster, but at least it is growing and there is no reason to believe that there will never be a day when the majority of people in the world believe that animals deserve good treatment. This day may not occur in our lifetime, but the important thing is that people try to work in ways that are effective to get more and more people concerned about animal rights, and then this will make it easier for this day to occur at some point.<br><br><br><br>
Pepper_pig, if you're upset that there is lots of animal exploitation that goes on in the world, then I think you should try to not let yourself get really depressed about this but instead you should try to use your upsetness as a motivator for getting involved supporting animal rights organizations through volunteer work, donations or something else. Trying to earn some extra money to donate to organizations for activist campaigns is one straight-forward way to support animal rights organizations so perhaps this is something that could work for you if you decide you want to support some animal rights organizations. I think that getting involved with helping the animal rights movement grow is a good way to deal with upsetness about having all sorts of animal exploitation occuring in the world, since most people feel better about actually working in effective ways to stop things that they think are wrong, instead of just sitting back and feeling helpless in watching the things happen.<br><br><br><br>
The world is definitely changing and more and more people are working to stop animal exploitation and doing things like not eating animal products in order to avoid supporting animal exploitation, so the world is not fixed regarding the issue of animal rights. The animal rights movement is growing slowly at this time, but it could grow faster in the future and it still is possible for there to be enough people at some point so that major forms of animal exploitation (like killing animals for food) are made illegal. There are plenty of different things to try out with animal rights activist work, so it's a matter of figuring out some things that work really well and this will help the animal rights movement grow faster.
 

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I don't worry about what the world will do. I worry about what I can control; that is what I eat and use. One person can make a statement and a bunch of one persons makes a group and multiple groups make a crowd and so forth.
 
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