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I want to say first that I'd never go back to my omnivore ways. However, sometimes I feel like I forget the point of it all. What I eat is just a habit. Isn't this supposed to mean something? I know it does, but really, it's not something I've given much thought to lately. It bothers me how most of the time I only feel indifference. Has anyone else felt this way at some point?
 

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A Good succinct question<i>!!!</i><br><br>
Questioning THE WHY behind the significance which clearly has to form properly in your conscience, is a good place to start, because most would agree you must <i>FEEL</i> the WHY you are "doing this"... but you know also to help you get over the indifference you sometimes experience, you may like to try THOUGHT ...I'm really not being funny, but that will add to the experience of what you feel, BUT then again why not just visit an abatoir and then FEEL is <i>ALL</i> you will BE ABLE to do is feel!!! ("go figure"..I say politely) <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> That is really basic I know, but its also instinctive and thats what gives you your gut reaction which then leads to thought provoking ideas that arise from what you FEEL and SEE etc.
 

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I felt like that quite a bit lucy. I still feel that way sometimes, but not as much as I used to. I started vegetarianism mainly due to the BSE scare, and i wasn't keen on eating flesh. Now I'm vegetarian for the animals mainly, but also because eating meat is a bit of a turnoff.<br><br><br><br>
A couple of years ago, I wasn't really all that confident about my vegetarianism. i was only really vegetarian out of habit.
 

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We often times go along doing what we do, feeling how we feel, then, WHOA. Why am I doing this? What's it mean? Is it worth it?<br><br><br><br>
Takes a little backtracking, remembering what it was that brought us to this place. Then that little light goes back on and we start to feel really good about our decisions again. Renewal is a good thing. Happens to most of us, even omnis in different ways.<br><br><br><br>
Relax and know your choice is the right one, rely on your inner strength to get through your doubtful times.
 

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If you ask me, it means not much. I mean should I feel instant gratification, every time I eat vegetarian?<br><br><br><br>
It's not that eating vegan is special for me. It's the meat eating that bothers me.<br><br><br><br>
It's not why be veg*n? It's rather, why eat animals?<br><br><br><br>
See? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Yeah, it's pretty cut and dried for me. I refuse to harm others or myself. Therefore, I do not eat meat. Keep it simple, and it will be easier to remember. Keep a picture in your wallet, if that helps. Whatever, just don't let it get complicated.
 

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every once in a while you should re-read a book. In fact, read this book: <a href="http://www.geocities.com/one_vegan/img/vegan.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/one_vegan/img/vegan.pdf</a>
 

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great issue to raise... i've certainly been through a rollercoaster with it.. i even went back to the omnivorous world for a while to gain some weight when i was seriously unhealthy... but in the end i couldn't keep it up...<br><br><br><br>
it was HARDER to be omni, because i felt so bad all the time, not for any one reason, but for every reason... now i ama stronger vegan than ever as a result of that period. i don;t geat myself up for it because it was something i needed to, for reasons that are too complicated to get into here...<br><br><br><br>
now i too sometimes have a oment when i wonder why i make so many things harder on myslef, but the next moment i can turn that into a positive thought, by reminding myself that it actually isn't making life hartder by limiting choice, but making it more fun by broadening choice, for the very reason that it doesn't easily fit in with everyone else and it's a spiritually gratifying world to explore!<br><br><br><br>
it is wonderful that you still think of this lucycat, it means you are not apathetic at all, but you are thoughtful enough to look inside yourself and revisit these issues............<br><br><br><br>
3 cheers for you!<br><br><br><br>
kpickell... yes, revisiting books and other life changing events helps to reenforce strength in stressful times, which is when we are most likely to weaken a tad (well, i can only speak for me, but that is what i have found!)..........<br><br><br><br>
whatever reaosns we all have, we are all still here, and all the better for it...<br><br><br><br>
day by day, we are changing things just a little, and that is why we are doing it i think!
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Kat New</i><br><br><b>i don't beat myself up for it because it was something i needed to, for reasons that are too complicated to get into here...<br><br><br><br>
it actually isn't making life harder by limiting choice, but making it more fun by broadening choice, for the very reason that it doesn't easily fit in with everyone else and it's a spiritually gratifying world to explore!<br><br><br><br>
it is wonderful that you still think of this lucycat, it means you are not apathetic at all, but you are thoughtful enough to look inside yourself and revisit these issues............<br><br><br><br>
3 cheers for you!<br><br></b></div>
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Great kick arse piece of 'poetry' there, and 3 cheers <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> well worth considering/comtemplating for boosting our self-esteem!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":up:"> I wanna say well done for projecting it KatNew!!! so 3 cheers for you too!!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":up:"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><span style="font-family:arial;">(Note please the fact I corrected some <i>ever so slight spellings,</i> I hope that is okay with you, I haven't changed your wording at all other than just giving the full word recognitions!...Just a minor point!)</span> <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I'm veg because I came to the conclusion one day, that I no longer had the desire to eat a dead animal. Environmental and health reasons, are just the icing on the cake. So, I don't really question why I'm doing this.<br><br><br><br>
Sometimes, I forget I'm veg though. I don't eat meat, or anything, I just completely forget that I'm veg. For example, the other night I was praying, and thanked God that I became a vegetarian, and all of a sudden it occured to me, 'I'm a vegetarian?' Really? Wow, when did I become a vegetarian? It just becomes such a habit, you completely forget all about it!
 

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I'm kinda like grain_girl, except in the other direction. I became vegetarian for health/food allergy reasons and to me, the enviromental and ethical reasons are the icing on my cake. Another layer of icing is how much I'm really enjoying this food! I thought that it would be boaring, dull, mundane and a real struggle to keep this up for longer than a weekend but noooooooo. To me, it's everything <i>but</i> boaring! I can't believe how excited I get now for my veggies and how things like peanut butter and pickles send me off into happy land! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/carrot.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":vebo:"><br><br><br><br>
Interesting that you would be thanking God for being vegetarian, grain_girl. I do that too. That, and thanking Him for putting all that nutrition and goodness into the plants long before people knew about nutrition and long before they started discovering about things like beta-carotene, lycopids (sp), anti-oxidants, perfect protiens and things like that. God knows how to provide and this is just another part of those provisions (even though humans insist on trying to "improve nature" by making GMO's and things like that - ICK!).<br><br><br><br>
I find myself not really saying "why am I doing this?". It's more "why didn't I do this years ago?" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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Yeah. It still feels weird to reflect on the fact that "I'm vegan." When I was omni, I never thought, "I'm omni."<br><br><br><br>
It's not a bad thing, it's still just kinda new, relative to all the years I ate meat.
 

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<a href="http://www.vegsource.com/articles/factoids.htm" target="_blank">http://www.vegsource.com/articles/factoids.htm</a><br><br><br><br>
I'll let the link speak for itself <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">.
 

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The "I'm a vegetarian!" thought does sneak up on me from time to time. I probably started to lose sight of things since I'm so used to not really bringing up vegetarianism to anyone in my life because, really, they don't want to hear about it. Most people don't even know I'm a vegetarian or just forget. It's a personal choice and it was a very simple one for me to make - one day I decided to switch and that was that <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
Oatmeal, I have to ask though, being vegan must serve some sort of gratification to you? With your raw foods diet and hydroponics, there must be more to it than simply "I'm not eating animals."
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by lucycat</i><br><br><b>Oatmeal, I have to ask though, being vegan must serve some sort of gratification to you? With your raw foods diet and hydroponics, there must be more to it than simply "I'm not eating animals."</b></div>
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No, really, as far as my personal take on veganism goes, it's "I'm not eating animals, I leave them (and Nature in general) alone as good as I can, using as little resources as possible". There really is not more to it. What else should (or could) be there?<br><br><br><br>
I never ever thought or think of saving animals or helping mankind when eating. This might offend some people, but I think that this is just plain silly.<br><br><br><br>
I don't love animals, not in the "Babe" kind of puppy love. I don't have pets. I'm extremely fascinated by nature, yes, and I find it not right if a sentient being is tortured, killed and eaten purely for reasons of habit and taste. But I don't love pigs and I don't want to save farm animals. Instead I'd like to see animal farming go away altogether. I don't want to save the animals from slaughter, I want to "save" them from being born in the first place!<br><br><br><br>
Also, I don't want to start a revolution to achieve these goals. I believe that democracy and free markets are all we need to succeed. I want to fight to end the subsidies and lies of the dairy industry. I would NOT fight to overthrow the system or to restrict consumer choice.<br><br><br><br>
Education and raising awareness is key also. That's of course why I try to promote veg*nism, and spread the word as good as I can.<br><br><br><br>
But on a personal level, I say "I don't want to have to do anything with animal ingredients". And "my" veganism ends here.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
And the fun begins. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
My raw food diet is not much connected to my veganism. It has two aspects: health and philosophy. I believe that it is the healthiest for me, it tastes best and I feel great.<br><br><br><br>
At the same time I think that all the food preparation, cooking, recipes and all the colored boxes in the supermarket (no matter how "tasty" and "nourishing") are simply a proof that something went awfully wrong in our relationship with eating and food during our cultural development. I find it unbelievable that we are recommended to eat 2 servings a day of nature's most perfect food for us (=fruit) by the FDA.<br><br><br><br>
The only connection between raw foods and veganism is that if you want to eat raw foods, it will be a vegan diet. So, it is very well possible that, I could have arrived at veganism through raw foods, would I have been introduced to raw foods first. (Just like, for instance, the <a href="http://www.rawfamily.com/" target="_blank">Boutenko's</a>, a famous raw food family. By being raw foodists, they're 'incidental' vegans). Of course, I would have discovered and embraced the ideologies of veganism too with time.<br><br><br><br>
Hydroponics is a hobby. It's of course very practical that I can eat the end results, and I certainly got into it to grow some tasty food. Lettuce is one of my favorite foods and growing my own is of course fun and exciting!<br><br><br><br>
But I'm not doing it for gratification (I still buy most of the lettuce I eat) and I'm also not a self-sustainability freak (been there, done that - and it was crazy!).<br><br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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I want to open a hydroponics factory in Alaska....<br><br><br><br>
The picture of you (oatmeal) with your little hydroponic set up was cool. What's the level of difficulty/expense? I could pull something like that off in my backyard.<br><br><br><br>
"Mom, I'm going to clean it up....No, the neighbors can't see...." Hehehehe...
 

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Oatmeal and i seem to have the same thoughts on veganism. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":up:">
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by aksjg</i><br><br><b>I want to open a hydroponics factory in Alaska....<br><br><br><br>
The picture of you (oatmeal) with your little hydroponic set up was cool. What's the level of difficulty/expense? I could pull something like that off in my backyard.</b></div>
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Cool!<br><br><br><br>
BTW it's mucho bigger meanwhile! I'm done with the rebuild. I will post new pics soon. Check out the hydroponics thread in "Digging in the dirt" and post any questions you might have there! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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You know how to answer a question, Oatmeal <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> I was really trying to get at the point (which you answered) of asking (which I didn't do very clearly) if you would have ever gone to a raw food diet straight from a meat-based diet.<br><br><br><br>
But I still have to disagree a bit about the gratification part - even if you don't love animals, I've never heard anyone talk about their love of fruits and veggies quite like you <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">
 
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