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Ok, I know, I'm 13 and very ignorant, but could somebody (or sombodies) tell me about why they are vegan and what they eat? I am a vegetarian, and I was just wondering about the more extreme. I mean, you don't have to kill the cow to get the milk right? So, if someone could help me out.... That would be great.
 

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<a href="http://www.vegansociety.com/html/whyvegan/whyhome.html" target="_blank">http://www.vegansociety.com/html/whyvegan/whyhome.html</a><br><br><br><br>
Try this, and follow the links. About milk, go to animal rights and see the 'Dairy' and 'Calves' sections.<br><br><br><br>
For me, I don't see the reason why I should use another animal just to get food, when I get get delicious , healthy food from a source which involves fewer possibilities for cruelty and abuse. I do not want to be a part of the death of any animal if I can avoid it, either directly or indirectly (such as calves and male chicks).
 

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Ok, I already apologized for my ignorance, but I have to again. I don't want you to look at me as a dumb little girl who stares up at you and asks "so what do you eat?" because I know that ticks you off. But if nobody will explain then how do you expect me to learn. Thankyou to Black Heart for trying.
 

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Personally, I got started as a vegan because of my environmental leanings. There are many threads active on this board highlighting the environmental hazards of meat and dairy production, including our air and water. The fact that the dairy cows are altered from their original state to produce more milk, injected with hormones galore, and milk is allowed to contain an insane amount of pus is enough without considering the inflammation of their udders, which are over-enlarged, the enslavement of these animals who are treated like machines (look for the book "Animal Machines" at Amazon.com) to milk them day in and day out, the theft of their calves for the veal industry. If you're a vegetarian who drinks milk, you're still supporting the production of meat.<br><br><br><br>
Poke around here and on the web, and you'll get plenty of info.<br><br><br><br>
For starters, check out<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.milksucks.com/index2.html" target="_blank">http://www.milksucks.com/index2.html</a><br><br><a href="http://www.vegan.com/" target="_blank">http://www.vegan.com/</a><br><br><a href="http://pcrm.org" target="_blank">http://pcrm.org</a><br><br><a href="http://www.vegsource.com/" target="_blank">http://www.vegsource.com/</a>
 

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Tigger, there are so many subs for dairy foods...the only thing that I have not found a good alternative for is cheese.<br><br>
But, instead of cow's milk - soymilk or rice milk<br><br>
Butter - earth balance<br><br>
sour cream - Sour Supreme<br><br>
cream cheese - Tofutti cream cheese<br><br>
ice cream - Soy Delicious (or homemade)<br><br>
ice cream sandwiches - Tofutti Cuties<br><br><br><br>
eggs - egg replacer or ground flax seeds<br><br><br><br>
Why?<br><br>
Because there is cruelty and death associated with dairy & egg production.
 

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<a href="http://www.foodrevolution.org/lawsuit_milkboard.htm" target="_blank">http://www.foodrevolution.org/lawsuit_milkboard.htm</a><br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.unhappycows.com/" target="_blank">http://www.unhappycows.com/</a>
 

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tigger:<br><br><br><br>
first thing, don't assume that just because you don't get immediate answers or the answers that you want that people have been angered by your statements.<br><br><br><br>
sometimes, people are just busy and don't have enough time to answer, or they didn't see your post, or whatever.<br><br><br><br>
I think looking at the web sites, and i particularly like Vegan Outreach (vegaoutreach.org) for their information, will give you many of the reasons why people choose to move from vegetarian to vegan.<br><br><br><br>
i was vegan for about 3 years, and greatly enjoyed it. now, i am ovo-vegetarian, because i feel that it is the right place for me to be. Of course, i do not eat eggs often, perhaps a few times a month, so most of my meals are vegan.<br><br><br><br>
This is my typical meal plan for a day:<br><br><br><br>
breakfast: two-three pieces of fruit and 1-2 servings of soy milk.<br><br><br><br>
snack: nut-butter and J sandwhich on sprouted multigrain bread, fruit<br><br><br><br>
lunch: salad (lots of different veggies seeds as well), fruit, water to drink. sometimes i like to have bean burritos instead of salad. sometimes i have a sandwhich instead of salad or bean burritos. i useually have spreads on my sandwhichs such as hummus, black bean dip, guacamole, with various veggies.<br><br><br><br>
snack: fruit or veggies with some sort of tofu or hummus dip<br><br><br><br>
dinner: whatever good vegetarian dinner i like. For example, tonite im having a chick pea curry. lots of vegetables (i like trader joes hodge podge), chick peas, curry, and then a nice, seasoned brown rice. yummy.<br><br><br><br>
snack: pop corn or soy delicious, or fruit, or nuts, or whatever. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
so that's me.
 

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there really isn't a difference between organic and non organic milk--regarding the treatment of the cows. For the most part, in both forms of animal agriculture, the calves are sent away for veal and ultimately the cows are slaughtered as well.<br><br><br><br>
I personally prefer biodynamic forms of farming, but they also kill their cows and calves eventually.<br><br><br><br>
Also, there are some farms that do have dairy products and treat the animals humanely throughout their lives. THey live out natural lives (that is, they are not killed or slaughtered).<br><br><br><br>
The International society of Krishna Consciousness runs many ashrams/farms throuhgout the world. they make many dairy products that are completely cruelty free, if one does not think it is cruel to keep animals, to use them for farming, to raise them for pleasure or for dairy products.<br><br><br><br>
personally, i don't comsume dairy products unless i absolutely have to (as in, there is nothing else to eat where-ever i am or am going). mostly because i'm lactose intolerant (most adults are).
 

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and PPS. i get my eggs from a source that i know and consider to be humane. someone else's pet chickens. they have lots and lots of pet chickens. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> you could say the woman is obcessed with them.<br><br><br><br>
anyway, my eggs don't come from "the industry." so, i'm ok with them.
 

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Here's some thoughts from John Robbins on organic dairy, in particular Horizon:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.foodrevolution.org/askjohn/4.htm" target="_blank">http://www.foodrevolution.org/askjohn/4.htm</a><br><br><a href="http://www.foodrevolution.org/askjohn/3.htm#3" target="_blank">http://www.foodrevolution.org/askjohn/3.htm#3</a><br><br><br><br>
And there's still the fact that cow's milk is meant to feed a calf to get it up to a weight six or seven times our own in a very short span of time, so how can it possibly be healthy for humans?
 

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Well, you've got to pick a level of veg*nism that you're happy with. Most people who enter a veg*n lifestyle do so by becoming ovo-lacto vegetarian. This includes eggs and dairy.<br><br><br><br>
However, some people do move onto veganism, which is a lifestyle which differs from vegetarianism, as it aims to eliminate as many forms of animal use possible. Therefore, vegans do not eat meat, milk, eggs, or wear fur or leather. The vegan belief is that cows are still used by humans in order to make milk, and it is wrong to do so. As you may know, milk is only produced by any animal after it has given birth. Therefore, cows are frequently impregnated to keep them giving milk, and one of the things about pregnancy is that babies result. So you get a lot of baby cows. The female ones will most likely grow up to become dairy cows, and be milked again. The male cows will become stud bulls, i.e. semen is extracted form them and implanted into female cows, or they often end up as veal calves. vegans believe that the best way to stop all this nonsense form going on is to eliminate animal products altogether, whether it is meat or milk.
 

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Thanks for all the responses you guys! I have sorta-kinda decided to take my vegetarianism a step furthur. I'd like to become a vegan at one point or another, so I think I'm going to start by stopping drinking milk. That should be hard, but not out of reach totally. Cheese is going to be the one thing I'll have the most trouble with though. Thanks again for all the info! Keep in touch!
 

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Very cool, Tiggerstar!<br><br><br><br>
What do you parent's think of your choice to stop eating meat and animal products? Do they support you?
 

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Every step is an improvement, and makes a difference. Good for you!<br><br><br><br>
Make sure you get plenty of calcium from other sources (like broccoli, mmmm, broccoli) and enriched soymilk and/or orange juice.
 

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I actually drank mineral water with 325 mg of calcium per liter in Italy <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">.<br><br><br><br>
Tiggerstar: remember that veganism is (or at least can be) a gradual process.
 

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Well, my mother is a vegetarian and my father eats meat. So they were ok on the veggie front. My mother is VERY unsure about the whole vegan thing. She doesn't think I'll get enough good stuff. I told her I'd start out by just cutting out the milk and I'm not quite sure what she thinks now. I don't think she'll stop me, just be annoyed! Oh well, one step at a time!
 

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well, i think an easier approach would be to work together to find out about the nutritional aspects.<br><br><br><br>
dairy isn't necessarily bad for everyone. It has nutritional value, particularly for people who do not have other foods, like soy milk or broccoli. So it's not "all evil" and it does have it's place in some (or many) diets.<br><br><br><br>
consider this as an exploration of nutrition and vegetarianism. Take it as a 'lets check this out' first, and then star to try it, paying careful attention to your own health, and keeping good communication with your mom about how you feel, what you like about something and so on.<br><br><br><br>
fact is, if you enlist your mom as someone to help you, then you're more likely going to be able to move more quickly into a diet that will work for you. Also, consider the possibility that you may not be able to be vegan (it is my belief that not everyone can be a healthy vegan, even if they do it the most nutritionally sound way possible). be sure to mention this as well:<br><br><br><br>
"I'll give it a try, because i think that what veganism is about holds a lot of truths. But i also recognize that it may not be for me. The only way i'll know for sure is if i give it a try!"<br><br><br><br>
I know for me, veganism would work. i have currently settled on ovo-vegetarianism, because it suits my needs right now. perhaps in the future, i will return to veganism, perhaps i won't. You have to do what is best for you, in this moment, learning about yourself and your needs as you go!<br><br><br><br>
And don't forget to have fun!
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by zoebird</i><br><br><b>dairy isn't necessarily bad for everyone. It has nutritional value, particularly for people who do not have other foods, like soy milk or broccoli.</b></div>
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Sure, not everyone has access to certain foods, so dairy will have to do, but dairy is most certainly a poorer source of calcium than those items, as well as kale, brussells sprouts, etc.<br><br><br><br>
You couldn't pay me to drink cow's milk now. It's not for people. It's for calves that want to grow up to weight 1000 pounds.
 
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