[VeggieMonster]

I found a well written article explaining some Ethical, Health, Ecological, and Biological benefits, as well as a brief history of veganism.<br><br>
I had no idea baby male chicks were considered 'by-products' of egg production. I think it said that every year, 32 million one day old chicks are killed in the UK for this reason. That just made me really sad. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=""><br><br><br><br>
Anyway, I attached the file in case anyone was interested in reading it.
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[shadow-panther]

Oh you think that's sad...ever read Slaughterhouse by Gail Eistnitz? All true too. Sooo depressing. That passage about the pigs made me cry. (Workers recounting methods of getting them to the stunner, including pipes. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=""> ) Interesting and compelling however. Reccomended reading. Great to shove on interested persons. *wink wink*<br><br>
Yep, I ordered the why vegan booklet from Vegan Outreach. Useful etc stuff there!! ~tori

 

[Michael]

Slaughterhouse was one of my favorite AR-related books. I think I might read it again. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="">

 

[LadyFaile]

i can't bring myself to read stuff like that. i mean i've read a lot of less detailed articles online, and in Peta magazines and whatnot. but when i think about all the gory details i just want to lock myself away in a bomb shelter and never have to think of it again. scary what some people are willing to do to fellow creatures, i don't understand <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="">

 

[GhostUser]

I agree with Lady Faile, I do my very best not to contribute to it, and I know what goes on but I try not to think about it because it makes living in this awful world unbearable

 

[1vegan]

You will not believe what is done to animals because its more enomical, or a bigger profit can be made.<br><br><br><br>
Ever heard of mulesing?<br><br><br><br>
Just some photos of sheep handling machines:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.peakhillindustries.com.au/sheep_handling_photos.htm" target="_blank">http://www.peakhillindustries.com.au...ing_photos.htm</a><br><br><br><br>
About embryo transplants on sheep:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.allstock.com.au/embryotransfer.asp" target="_blank">http://www.allstock.com.au/embryotransfer.asp</a><br><br><br><br>
About mulesing:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.thylazine.org/photogallery/mules.html" target="_blank">http://www.thylazine.org/photogallery/mules.html</a><br><br><br><br>
More to be found ? on <a href="http://www.aussiesheep.com/sheep2.htm" target="_blank">http://www.aussiesheep.com/sheep2.htm</a><br><br><br><br><br><br>
* disclaimer *<br><br>
Every side to be visited at your own risk.<br><br><br><br>

 

[Skylark]

I've never had a particularly weak stomach, so even though I am ethically repulsed by the dreadful conditions, I don't feel any compulsion to throw up or cry because of it. That's just me; I have a higher than average tolerance for viewing and hearing about gross things.

 

[1vegan]

It sometimes makes me sick to see it, and I'm mostly suprised how they got the idea in the first place.<br><br><br><br>
And are also shocked that money rules everything.

 

[GhostUser]

i've tried explaining these kind of things to non-veg*an people, they generally cover up their ears and say they dont want to be put off meat/milk/eggs etc. it makes me sad that they'd rather be ignorant so they dont feel guilty <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="">

 

[GhostUser]

That is why my favorite quote when dealing with people like that is:<br><br>
"Think occassionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight."<br><br>
-Albert Schweitzer<br><br><br><br>
This is only why I think it's necessary to use shock activism to get through to people sometimes.

 

[LadyFaile]

skylark i don't have a weak stomach either, seeing gore in movies doesn't bother me because i know it's fake. when i see horrible things being done to real live animals, i DO feel sick, not because of the site of blood or whatever, but because i can't help but see it from the animal's perspective, and think about the pain and misery they're going through. and think that this is not what these animals are here for and what the hell gives us the right. what the HELL

 

[Skylark]

LF,<br><br>
I wasn't by any means excusing mistreatment of animals by mentioning that I have a higher ingrained tolerance for gore.

 

[1vegan]

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Kitzy</i><br><br><b>i've tried explaining these kind of things to non-veg*an people, they generally cover up their ears and say they dont want to be put off meat/milk/eggs etc. it makes me sad that they'd rather be ignorant so they dont feel guilty <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=""></b></div>
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I think, but am not sure, you have to "feed" people this kind of things bit by bit. If not, it might become to big for them to handle it and they turn into "ignorance mode"<br><br><br><br>
On the other hand images are very strong.<br><br>
"a picture can say more than a thousand words"<br><br><br><br>
It depends on the person what method works the best to get through to them.

 

[Skylark]

Kitzy,<br><br>
For more info on slowly warming people up to veg*nism, try reading the "do u feel bad" thread. I believe it was in that thread that I expounded upon an academic communication theory that is quite useful in this context.

 

[tomjo32]

"Vegan: The New Ethics of Eating" by Erick Marcus is an excellent book that I highly recommend. It covers many aspects on why veganism is the way to go - health, ethical, ecological and other reasons. I've only been without meat for about two months. I don't miss it at all and can't see myself going back to that lifestyle. The knowledge gained from Marcus' book is a major reason why.

 

[1vegan]

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by tomjo32</i><br><br><b>"Vegan: The New Ethics of Eating" by Erick Marcus is an excellent book that I highly recommend.</b></div>
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iirc this can be downloaded somewhere.<br><br><br><br>
I have it but its to big to attach it here. (1.215Kb )<br><br><br><br>
If you want it, let me know by PM then I'll put it on my "site"