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<div class="quote-block">Vegans are a group of people who, by definition, are vegetarians that eat only plant products and don't use anything derived from animals, such as leather.<br><br>
So what is it about this movement that draws such ire from people? Exploding in popularity among all sorts of people -- from politicians to celebrities to school children and athletes -- veganism has moved from the fringe into the mainstream. Now, some vegans are self-righteous, lecturing, soap-boxing, holier-than-thou activists. Trust me, I have been a committed vegan for more than 25 years and there are those within the movement that cause me to roll my eyes and pray that no one is listening.<br><br>
However, most of the vegans I know are soft-spoken, loving, kind, compassionate and committed to living a life that is kind to all beings and to the planet. It's a powerfully simple sentiment imbued with only good intentions.</div>
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It makes them feel guilty. For years they've been telling themselves, "oh, we have to eat meat/dairy to live!" and there you are, very much alive and tearing down their defenses with your mere presence.
 

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‎"Conventional people are roused to fury by departure from convention, largely because they regard such departure as a criticism of themselves." think that quote pretty much sums it up. even if you aren't doing anything offensive or judgmental at all some people will see you as judging their personal choices because of your own ethical choices.
 

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They don't get angry where I live, then again, the Netherlands is quite accepting of these kinds of things, so that comes as no surprise. People here don't really care, as long as it doesn't hurt them (and they know damned well that it doesn't).<br><br>
You'll probably get some silly remarks, but certainly nothing bad, which is nice, especially if you read about some of the crap other people get.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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It makes them feel guilty. For years they've been telling themselves, "oh, we have to eat meat/dairy to live!" and there you are, very much alive and tearing down their defenses with your mere presence.</div>
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Not where I live.
 

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People get annoyed or angry with vegans because they think vegans want them to stop eating meat, dairy, honey and eggs, and to stop wearing leather, wool and silk. Many of these same annoyed people are fine with vegetarians; they don't think vegetarians want them to give up any of these things because they think vegetarians do what they do for their own reasons and aren't trying to convert anybody else.<br><br>
The HuffingtonPost blogger writes that people who eat meat are essentially responsible for world starvation, that their greed makes it difficult for other people to eat anything at all. Which is not an impossible point to argue, but it suggests she's kind of oblivious if she's putting this in the very essay where she wonders why omnivores seem to find vegans hard to take.<br><br>
This blogger essentially mocks people who tell her they've cut down on red meat. Again, maybe not such a smooth move in a piece wondering why there is such a negative public perception of veganism. That one struck home for me. I heard an environmentalist on the radio three years ago say that cutting down on red meat is the single best thing a person can do for the environment, given how much grain, water, and oil it takes to produce a single pound of it. That turned out to be my first step toward giving up meat altogether, though it was not my intent at the time. The blogger seems to consider herself a gentle, moderate vegan, in contrast to those other vegans she knows are out there, the ones she refers to as "self-righteous, lecturing, soap-boxing, holier-than-thou activists." To me she came across as a poster child for how button-pushing some vegans can be, highly ironic considering the intent of the essay.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>mandyliza</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2915993"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
‎"Conventional people are roused to fury by departure from convention, largely because they regard such departure as a criticism of themselves." think that quote pretty much sums it up. even if you aren't doing anything offensive or judgmental at all some people will see you as judging their personal choices because of your own ethical choices.</div>
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I was going to say something similar, but you said it best.<br><br>
People are quick to jump to the defensive, even if you have not opened your mouth. You're just standing there. For an omni, they now have to somehow justify themselves before your judging eye.<br><br>
I find that most people become hyper-aware of the amount of meat in their plate, and want more, when I am near. I've known many omni's who wouldn't bat an eyelash at the idea of a salad for lunch, or spaghetti for dinner.... chips & salsa anyone? But, if I'm standing in the room, suddenly its not a meal/snack without a big meat entrée. The salad suddenly needs fresh bacon to be fried, the spaghetti suddenly needs sausage or ground beef, and the chips and salsa suddenly need melted cheese.<br><br>
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A woman I used to work with was trying to eat healthy. She would have simple vegetable based lunches, sometimes without any meat. One day she forgot her lunch. I had tons of food, and was ready to fill her up a plate. She panicked and turned down my offer because there was no meat. But then she remembered that she had a can of tuna in her car that had fallen out of her grocery bag, and only then did she accept my food... once she knew she could add the tuna and make it a complete meal.
 

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Makes them feel like you're some kind of human-like species that they need to destroy. Like I suspect homo-sapiens did thousands of years ago.
 

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It makes them uncomfortable because they actually have to think about what they eat and why they eat it. So they shoot the messenger.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>mandyliza</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2915993"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
‎"Conventional people are roused to fury by departure from convention, largely because they regard such departure as a criticism of themselves." think that quote pretty much sums it up. even if you aren't doing anything offensive or judgmental at all some people will see you as judging their personal choices because of your own ethical choices.</div>
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This has been my experience most of my life, and not just with vegetarianism and veganism, but many other things. You often never even have to say a word to someone yourself. If they find out from someone else they will still attack you right out of the blue, while you are minding your own business sitting quietly in a corner.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Joan Kennedy</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2916294"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
This blogger essentially mocks people who tell her they've cut down on red meat.</div>
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From an animal welfare perspective it's more than worthless, if people are just going to replace the red meat with birds and fish, which is typical. Meat cattle are usually treated better than most other factory farmed animals, and they're a lot bigger so there are fewer animals who are forced to suffer so humans can stuff themselves with flesh.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Irizary</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2916517"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
From an animal welfare perspective it's more than worthless, if people are just going to replace the red meat with birds and fish, which is typical. Meat cattle are usually treated better than most other factory farmed animals, and they're a lot bigger so there are fewer animals who are forced to suffer so humans can stuff themselves with flesh.</div>
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Granted. Understood. But did you read the blog? Animal suffering is not the thrust of her article, though since she is vegan I would assume that is a concern of hers. The author describes herself as a "food and health activist" and focuses on how wasteful of scarce resources meat is, how unhealthy for human consumption, and how destructive to the environment. This is why I was busting on her mocking of people who bother to tell her they have cut back on red meat. For what she claims her agenda is, she fails to recognize a positive step when she sees one. I understand that for a VB readership she's preaching to the choir, but for HuffingtonPost readers I don't think she countering negative perceptions of veganism. She's provoking them with one insult after another, while wondering why "veganism" angers people. Veganism doesn't anger people. Vegans do, when they write like she does.
 

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This has been my experience most of my life, and not just with vegetarianism and veganism, but many other things. You often never even have to say a word to someone yourself. If they find out from someone else they will still attack you right out of the blue, while you are minding your own business sitting quietly in a corner.</div>
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Yep. My boyfriend's brother, who is a vegetarian for environmental reasons and has expressed interest in going back to eating meat, does this to me ALL THE TIME. It gets really damn annoying. I don't want to have to defend and explain my choices every time I see him. When I try to tell him I don't feel like talking about it, he gives me a hard time. He's a law student, so I think he just likes to argue.
 
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