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Hello all,<br><br><br><br>
I'm not raw by any means, but I started slowly.... I went to a conference last week with Doug Graham who eats basically fruits and vegetables... however, he didn't discuss the issue of vitamin b-12 in the conference....<br><br>
I wonder where would one get the B-12 by only eating raw fruits and raw veggies???????????<br><br><br><br>
any ideas???
 

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maybe a supplement tho i don't know if supplements are raw. I don't know if 100% raw folk can eat fortified foods like other vegans.
 

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accidently eating worms or bugs in the fruit? Not washing your fruit/vegies. Since it comes from the guts of living animals mainly, I can't see any alternative than to be a little hygene challenged.
 

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To get B-12, your <i>only</i> sources are either a supplement, or a fortified food, (soymilk is an excellent example, though it's not raw).
 

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most raw people i know either don't supplement at all or use fortified foods; they trust they get everything just from their food. i've read of it working quite well for people like Storm, Jinjee and their children from thegardendiet.com They even were getting tested regularly to prove it.<br><br><br><br>
or, the rest of the raw group will take supplements.
 

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Brendan Brazier who is mostly raw and 100% vegan says in his book <i>Thrive</i> "Also, chlorella contains the elusive (at least, in the plant kingdom) vitamin B12, which is extremely hard for vegetarians to find in forms other than laboratory-created tablets. Chlorella provides it, naturally." (p. 62)<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.brendanbrazier.com" target="_blank">www.brendanbrazier.com</a>
 

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You can see on this site that with the shake at the bottom he mentions chlorella (last ingredient) and b12:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.vegparadise.com/athlete1.html" target="_blank">http://www.vegparadise.com/athlete1.html</a><br><br><br><br>
I've heard of sea vegetation containing b12 but it seemed the evidence of it containing reliable amounts was lacking. Maybe he knows something I don't. If it's true then one could eat raw sea vegetation for that nutrient.
 

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Actually, getting B-12 from sea vegetables is not reliable. Many if not all algae contain something that registers as "B-12" in certain chemical assay tests, but isn't the real thing. Your body can't use it.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Tom</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Actually, getting B-12 from sea vegetables is not reliable. Many if not all algae contain something that registers as "B-12" in certain chemical assay tests, but isn't the real thing. Your body can't use it.</div>
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I'm interested. Do you have a source?
 

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<a href="http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/b12.htm" target="_blank">http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/b12.htm</a><br><br><br><br>
This isn't my <b>original</b> source- a long time ago I read an article (in "East West Masgazine", I think) about this topic. But it's been a hot topic for vegetarians and especially vegans for some time now.
 

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I have seen a b12 suppliment in the vitamin store by me that is a spray, absorbed through the mucus membranes int he mouth, thus avoiding losing potency when swallowed.
 

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You can see on this site that with the shake at the bottom he mentions chlorella (last ingredient) and b12:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.vegparadise.com/athlete1.html" target="_blank">http://www.vegparadise.com/athlete1.html</a><br><br><br><br>
I've heard of sea vegetation containing b12 but it seemed the evidence of it containing reliable amounts was lacking. Maybe he knows something I don't. If it's true then one could eat raw sea vegetation for that nutrient.</div>
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I also heard that sea vegetation has B-12 but can't be processed by human bodies.
 

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I get mine mainly from supplements. Here's a quote from an editorial in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/78/1/3.pdf" target="_blank">Vegetarianism and vitamin B-12 (cobalamin) deficiency</a><br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Clearly, recommendations for supplementation of vitamin B-12<br><br>
are not that easily implemented, as witnessed by the continued documentation<br><br>
of probable vitamin B-12 deficiency among vegetarians<br><br>
described in this issue of the Journal. Nevertheless, the data are compelling,<br><br>
and they indicate that vegetarians should routinely take cobalamin<br><br>
or vitamin B-12 supplements, which in their generic form are<br><br>
relatively inexpensive.</div>
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Another quote (same editorial)<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">The existence of clear-cut biochemical evidence of perturbed<br><br>
vitamin B-12 metabolism in vegetarians and the fact that hyperhomocysteinemia<br><br>
is a risk factor for occlusive vascular diseases<br><br>
(20), some neural tube defects (21), congenital heart defects (22),<br><br>
and dementia and Alzheimer disease (23) should spur even the<br><br>
most skeptical vegetarian to efforts to reverse an easily preventable<br><br>
dietary deficiency of vitamin B-12. Yet, studies on unique<br><br>
groups in the West such as Seventh-Day Adventists that showed<br><br>
the extent of poor cobalamin status (24) also highlighted the difficulty<br><br>
of persuading even highly educated populations that are at<br><br>
risk to routinely take cobalamin supplements (25, 26).</div>
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The editorial linked to above refers to the article in the same issue (on page 131). Here's a link to that article<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/78/1/131?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&volume=78&firstpage=131&resourcetype=HWCIT" target="_blank">Vitamin B-12 status...in vegetarians</a><br><br><br><br>
To see it you might have to click on "Begin Manual Download".
 

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Here's a quote from another source<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.eatright.org/ada/files/vegnp.pdf" target="_blank">Position of the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada: Vegetarian Diets</a><br><br><br><br>
Well they won't let me copy and paste and I'm not going to type the whole thing in but you can see it by opening the link and going to page 754 and looking under "Vitamin B-12".
 

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To get B12 you need to drink wheat grass juice.<br><br><br><br>
Nutritional yeast also has B12 in it. Saw that one on the jar when I was shopping today.
 

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<div class="quote-block">To get B12 you need to drink wheat grass juice.</div>
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I've never heard that before. What's your source?<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Nutritional yeast also has B12 in it. Saw that one on the jar when I was shopping today.</div>
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It isn't in there naturally so the nutritional yeast you saw is fortified with B12. So we shouldn't assume that all nutritional yeast has B12 in it but need to read the label.
 

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Kombucha Tea is an excellent source of B vitamins- including B12 but I am honestly unsure of it's bioavailability in the human body.
 

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<div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">To get B12 you need to drink wheat grass juice.</div>
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<div class="quote-block">Kombucha Tea is an excellent source of B vitamins- including B12</div>
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I'll bet you two share the same IP address.
 
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