[gguru1]

I'm concerned about the planet and all, but I'm surrounded by a few people who blame almost every seasonal weather condition on global warming.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
For instance, hot weather in the summer, snow and cold in the winter, thunderstorms in the spring, and "unnatrually short" days in the fall are all due global warming. They seriously beleive this, and when i try to convince them otherwise tehy accuse me of being "part of the problem". <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thinking.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":think:"><br><br><br><br><br><br>
Its really annoying, because it makes the people who actually know what they are talking about look like crackpots.

 

[Thalia]

short days in the fall? Do they have an explanation for the mechanism that would cause that? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="">

 

[missbelgium]

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Haha. Everyone knows heat makes things expand. So the days ought actually to be longer !<br><br><br><br>
I am actually surrounded by non-believers. Pretty irritating too. They just keep denying there is anything going on and use every statistic shred of possible evidence to make a point...<br><br><br><br>
Is there a middle ground at all ?! I sometimes wonder...

 

[Iria]

Some of my parents' friends swear the trees used to be more colorful in the fall and the sun used to be brighter when they were kids. I blame it on subjective memory.

 

[Seb_0810]

Al Gore said that unseasonable cold temperatures are due to global warming. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/doh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":doh:">

 

[Lucine]

I do this.<br><br>
I live in LA and all the hurricanes we get, as well as the extrememly HOT "winters" we're having right now (it's 75 degrees outside right now), and the torturous summers, is blamed on GW.

 

[Lucine]

I wish it was called "global cooling", cause I'd rather be freezing my ass off than burning to death to where I can't think straight<br><br><br><br>
It's always better to freeze to death anyway.

 

[TreeManEarthSteward]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Seb_0810</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Al Gore said that unseasonable cold temperatures are due to global warming. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/doh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":doh:"></div>
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With any sense, we all can see how that COULD SOUND RIDICULOUS, <span style="font-size:small;">BUT</span> I'm sure there is a basis for possible worry about that, the likes of which are ice age triggers, all that included caused by global warming.. (and you don't need to br super clever to know why.... now I gotta find the thread<br><br>
from old about the Artic/atlantic/northsea undercurrents being radically altered due to it, what I once commented on in some detail....back with that piece to ETA as a link if I can find it.)

 

[Seusomon]

Rapid climate changes (such as what we are currently experiencing due to global warming) do destabilize climate patterns, leading to more extremes (hot, cold, etc.) in the short term. Every weather event, of course, has multiple causes; but global warming is probably one contributing factor to such phenomena as extremely violent hurricane seasons, abnormal winter storm patterns, etc.

 

[Ludi]

Yes, it gets so irritating when people point to cold temps and say "look, no global warming!" or fail to understand that unusual weather including unusually cold weather, is being caused by global warming.<br><br><br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.whoi.edu/institutes/occi/viewTopic.do?o=read&id=501" target="_blank">abrupt climate change</a>

 

[TreeManEarthSteward]

<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivewaystosavetheworld" target="_blank">http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivewaystosavetheworld</a><br><br><br><br>
Inclusive of 4 other ways, other than storing carbon under sea (the "5th" and last way I hope!!)

 

[TreeManEarthSteward]

<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivewaystosavetheworld" target="_blank">http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivewaystosavetheworld</a> (I just watched a very damn interesting prog on this)<br><br><br><br>
Inclusive of 4 other ways, other than storing carbon under sea (the "5th" and last way I hope!!)<br><br><br><br>
The actual link to which is here for all options is here: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/6369971.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/6369971.stm</a>

 

[TreeManEarthSteward]

<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivewaystosavetheworld" target="_blank">http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivewaystosavetheworld</a> (I just watched a very damn interesting prog on this)<br><br>
[General Headline page]<br><br><br><br>
Inclusive of 4 other ways, other than storing carbon under sea (the "5th" and last way I hope!!)<br><br><br><br>
The actual link for all Global Warming options is here: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/6369971.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/6369971.stm</a><br><br><br><br>
Eta: or rather here: to be exact right on it, (you see the scientists with the ideas here too).....<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/6298507.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/6298507.stm</a>

 

[TreeManEarthSteward]

<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivewaystosavetheworld" target="_blank">http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivewaystosavetheworld</a> (I just watched a very damn interesting prog on this)<br><br>
[General Headline page]<br><br><br><br>
Inclusive of 4 other ways, other than storing carbon under sea (the "5th" and last way I hope!!)<br><br><br><br>
The actual link for all Global Warming options is here: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/6369971.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/6369971.stm</a><br><br><br><br>
Eta: or rather here: to be right on it, (you see the scientists with the ideas here too).....<br><br><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/6298507.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/6298507.stm</a>

 

[uchida]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Lucine</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I wish it was called "global cooling", cause I'd rather be freezing my ass off than burning to death to where I can't think straight<br><br><br><br>
It's always better to freeze to death anyway.</div>
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but global warming is actually contributing to increased coldness in the winter due to extreme weather conditions. Global warming is far more complicated than just warmer temperatures and burning ourselves up.

 

[Seb_0810]

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Sorry to burst your bubble, but global warming is actually contributing to increased coldness in the winter due to extreme weather conditions. Global warming is far more complicated than just warmer temperatures and burning ourselves up.</div>
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So rather than being called "global warming" should it be called "general climatic turmoil" or something like that?

 

[GhostUser]

IIRC Global Warming refers to the overall increase in average temperature on planet Earth. I think that in an Inconvenient Truth it was described that an overall 5f change would be a 1f increase at the equator and a 12f increase at the poles. Of course major changes at any one point of the planet will have effects on other parts (jetstream, ocean conveyor, etc...).<br><br><br><br>
Climate Change seems to be the new catch phrase for ummm, errrr, climate change.

 

[combellack]

Blaming any specific weather event on global warming is unwise as global warming speaks to climate change rather than weather events. No model of global warming is going to be able to tell you that on July 21 2052 the high temperature in Toronto is going to be 32 degrees however it can quite resonably predict that on average the July temperatures in Toronto during the ten years centered around 2052 will be warmer than they are today. No model today is anywhere near the point that it can predict individual weather events but they loook to be doing a pretty good job of predicting general weather trends. Unfortunatly for us one of these trends seems to be the trend for more severe weather events. I hate to say it but as a species we are really slow to learn and probably not smart enough to save ourselves.<br><br>
Mark

 

[Snow White]

This winter has been unusually warm here. IIRC January was 6°C too warm. On the other hand, it lasted until <i>May</i> last year.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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Some of my parents' friends swear the trees used to be more colorful in the fall and the sun used to be brighter when they were kids. I blame it on subjective memory.</div>
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Enter <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming" target="_blank">global dimming</a>...