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I have to believe it exists, on faith, because<br>
due to light pollution, I can't actually see it.<br><br>
I could drive for 45 minutes in any direction - still no stars.<br><br>
I don't understand why there are so many street lights. I hate street lights. I tend to think that just like exposure to sunlight is required for good health, so is exposure to deep black nights. I certainly would feel better if I could look at the stars once in awhile, but it just isn't practical, unless I plan a special trip, at special expense.<br><br>
How can I persuade my neighbors that they don't need so many street lights? I don't understand why they like them so much, so it makes it hard for me to figure out how to persuade them to be without them. I really don't get it. They all agree that we should conserve on fuel, and not use electricity for things that are unnecessary. But they actually call, write, and email, their local government representative, repeatedly, and ask for a street light in some spot that they think really needs one but doesn't have one. And again for another street light in another spot.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>soilman</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2903330"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
How can I persuade my neighbors that they don't need so many street lights?</div>
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-create a robot looking just like a human and program it to become a successful politician who will get elected and implement legislation to ban street lights<br>
-climb down your neighbors' chimneys at inappropriate times, pretending that it's Christmas, and do it so many times that they give up and agree to do anything to make you stop doing so<br>
-create a religion where street lights are seen as manifestations of demons, and convince your whole neighborhood to subscribe to the religion via intense proselytizing
 

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"create a religion where street lights are seen as manifestations of demons, and convince your whole neighborhood to subscribe to the religion via intense proselytizing"<br><br>
Yea, but how do I do that?
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>soilman</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2903367"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
"create a religion where street lights are seen as manifestations of demons, and convince your whole neighborhood to subscribe to the religion via intense proselytizing"<br><br>
Yea, but how do I do that?</div>
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Shouldn't be hard. Look at what Harold Camping did..or hell, look at how many people go to Church every Sunday.
 

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Shouldn't be hard. Look at what Harold Camping did..or hell, look at how many people go to Church every Sunday.</div>
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I am just as puzzled as to why people follow Harold Camping, or why people go to church, unless they are bribed to go with food, music, whatever.
 

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Tell them street lights are a burden on tax payers and that everyone should pay their own way via headlights, flashlights, torches and reflectors.
 

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Rhys suggestion makes sense, but that is probably why it wouldn't work, since having so many streetlights makes no sense, yet people still want more.
 

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I think I should tell them that street lights attract aliens from outer space who abduct small children, and this explains why there are so many missing children who are never found, and by removing street lights, we make it harder for the aliens to find them.
 

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Persuade the government to shut down all unnecessary 'official' lighting. Stop lighting up City Hall, the State Capitol, the Lincoln Memorial, etc. It sets an example of extravagance that people follow.
 

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You'd think with motion detection lighting being so easy to have, they'd get rid of outdoor lights being left on all the time. It's like water heaters. Old style keeps hot water 24/7, new style just heats it up the moment you need it.
 

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You'd think with motion detection lighting being so easy to have, they'd get rid of outdoor lights being left on all the time. It's like water heaters. Old style keeps hot water 24/7, new style just heats it up the moment you need it.</div>
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We have something like that on our street. I'm not sure if they're motion activated or on a timer.
 

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You'd think with motion detection lighting being so easy to have, they'd get rid of outdoor lights being left on all the time. It's like water heaters. Old style keeps hot water 24/7, new style just heats it up the moment you need it.</div>
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Some of the high efficiency lamps take a minute or 2 to reach full brightness, so between the time a motion sensor detects an oncoming car and the time the lamp reaches full brightness, the car is gone already. Even simpler - it seems to me that if my headlights are properly adjusted, and of the proper brightness, streetlights do nothing to improve my visibility. In fact, they make it worse.<br><br>
Also, there is one thing that I can think of that is worse than artificial light at night, obscuring the stars, and that is lights flashing on and off randomly from place to place, causing frequent adaptation of your pupil's to different light levels.
 

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i hate light pollution. have you ever seen a map of it? the entire east coast is lit up. at least around here some street lights have solar panels attached to them<br>
the best place i know around here to look at stars involves taking the highway into the everglades, turning off at an unmarked and unpaved service road, and driving 3 miles.
 

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i hate light pollution. have you ever seen a map of it? the entire east coast is lit up. at least around here some street lights have solar panels attached to them<br>
the best place i know around here to look at stars involves taking the highway into the everglades, turning off at an unmarked and unpaved service road, and driving 3 miles.</div>
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yes, seen photos.
 
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