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Was on the other night (can't remember which channel).. Did anyone see it? One part had an elephant in a circus... they showed scenes of the elephants with their legs in chains... and then this one elephant named Janet (i think) was used in the circus and had about 5 kids on her back.<br><br><br><br>
She went mad, attacked anyone who came near her and destroyed the set up. They managed to get the kids off her back (after a long while and having someone get hit by her trunk and thrown across the floor). Then the result: She was shot.<br><br><br><br>
Made me really sad.. she was obviously just trying to escape, and was fed up and tormented. Maybe the only way to stop her was to shoot her? I don't know, i just feel that as they caused her problems they could have done more than just shoot her.<br><br><br><br>
Did anyone else see it?
 

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If it is the video I am thinking of, they shot her a lot, eh?<br><br><br><br>
I honestly can only respond with well-based anger at these happenings. When I think about it, I wish that I had been there to shake my head at these people and yell at them all. An example of my anger:<br><br><br><br>
" DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND COMMON DESIRE TO LIVE A FULL AND PEACEFUL LIFE! YOU ALL SICKEN ME! All this beautiful creature wanted was to live free, like she is meant to be. You despise me, and you put shame upon us monsters called humans."<br><br><br><br>
... So I am a tree-hugger. I know this is terrible, but I actually wish that those kids would have gotten hurt. Maybe then people would get the obvious point.
 

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I know this is terrible, but I actually wish that those kids would have gotten hurt. Maybe then people would get the obvious point.</div>
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The next time you can't figure out why ARAs are not taken seriously in society, think back to this statement.
 

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The next time you can't figure out why ARAs are not taken seriously in society, think back to this statement.</div>
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I will, but it will not change how I feel, and I honestly do not see one reason why it should. I did not say that I would purposely hurt anyone to help animals, I simply stated that sometimes I <b><i>FEEL</i></b> that pain is nescessary before truth can be listened to. Action is very different from thought.<br><br><br><br>
Bad person? Maybe so. At least I am truthful.
 

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I was going to comment in this thread, but changed my mind for some reason...<br><br><br><br>
Aussy, I hope someone in the mainstream media points out how this elephant, even though she was horribly provoked, did NOT harm the children on her back. How will someone be moved to treat animals better if they see animals as brutes who act out on violent impulses? They might ban elephant rides as too dangerous (duh!!!), but they probably won't care whether elephants or other animals are exploited and abused in ways that don't present a danger to humans.<br><br><br><br>
The children most likely didn't know any better, but whoever was in charge of the elephant sure as hell should have.
 

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I was going to comment in this thread, but changed my mind for some reason...<br><br><br><br>
Aussy, I hope someone in the mainstream media points out how this elephant, even though she was horribly provoked, did NOT harm the children on her back. How will someone be moved to treat animals better if they see animals as brutes who act out on violent impulses? They might ban elephant rides as too dangerous (duh!!!), but they probably won't care whether elephants or other animals are exploited and abused in ways that don't present a danger to humans.<br><br><br><br>
The children most likely didn't know any better, but whoever was in charge of the elephant sure as hell should have.</div>
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Ditto.<br><br><br><br>
For the most part, my anger simply outweighs sensible thinking here. I want to see justice, is all. I know that is not the greatest way of thinking, but as I said: Only thoughts, not actions.
 

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I know this is terrible, but I actually wish that those kids would have gotten hurt. Maybe then people would get the obvious point.</div>
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Though I'm sickened by the way the elephant was mistreated, I'm even more sickened by the above logic. Harming children (innocents) in order to prove a point regarding animal (innocents) abuse is just wrong. So very, very wrong.
 

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Though I'm sickened by the way the elephant was mistreated, <b>I'm even more sickened</b> by the above logic. Harming children (innocents) in order to prove a point regarding animal (innocents) abuse is just wrong. So very, very wrong.</div>
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I don't particularly agree with the statement, but I think she's just fantasizing about a natural consequence to bad actions, so people will lay off the torment. Big deal. The fact that you think being angry and fantasizing about a natural consequence for humans is so much worse than <b>ACTUAL</b> lifelong torment of this animal is telling about your speciesism.
 

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I don't particularly agree with the statement, but I think she's just fantasizing about a natural consequence to bad actions, so people will lay off the torment. Big deal. The fact that you think being angry and fantasizing about a natural consequence for humans is so much worse than <b>ACTUAL</b> lifelong torment of this animal is telling about your speciesism.</div>
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Irizary,<br><br><br><br>
I only have one thing to say : Thank you! While I did not see your post as defending me, I also did not feel like you hold me as a sick freak for the angry thoughts I had. Unlike the others, you actually took the time to understand what I had written, instead of blowing it out of proportion.<br><br><br><br>
For a moment, I began to think that I actually was a sick freak. People seem to be taking my statement in the wrong way, and it is honestly not that hard to understand. In a way, I was using the rule of "What goes around comes around" in my thoughts. I was not thinking, "Wow! I hope that the animals will revolt and kill all humans that mistreat them!" I find it astonishing that anyone would find my thoughts 'ill-logic'. Am I really the only one that truly feels deeply angered about this?<br><br><br><br>
*Sigh* Nature has its ways of working things out, I suppose. I will just keep my two cents out of it on the Boards, as it usually causes misconception in my character.
 

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The fact that you think being angry and fantasizing about a natural consequence for humans is so much worse than <b>ACTUAL</b> lifelong torment of this animal is telling about your speciesism.</div>
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You're right. I do believe the life of an innocent child is more important than the life of an innocent animal. However, if given the "choice," I'd much prefer neither was harmed (hence, the reason why I'm an ethical vegetarian). As well as being a speciesist, I'm also an anti-dentite.<br><br><br><br>
And Aussy, though there's a fine line, indeed, I'm not sickened by you (nor judging you), only by your statement, "but I actually wish that those kids would have gotten hurt." They're just words/thoughts and not actions, and I recognize them for what they are. Being sickened was just my feeling in response to reading those words. Just as those were your thoughts in response to the initial story. They are what they are.
 

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Irizary,<br><br><br><br>
I only have one thing to say : Thank you! While I did not see your post as defending me, I also did not feel like you hold me as a sick freak for the angry thoughts I had. Unlike the others, you actually took the time to understand what I had written, instead of blowing it out of proportion.</div>
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Eh, some if us just don't routinely wish for the deaths of children. That's just how we roll.<br><br>
No one called you any names, so get down off of that cross, 'cause someone else needs the wood.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">For a moment, I began to think that I actually was a sick freak. People seem to be taking my statement in the wrong way, and it is honestly not that hard to understand. In a way, I was using the rule of "What goes around comes around" in my thoughts. I was not thinking, "Wow! I hope that the animals will revolt and kill all humans that mistreat them!" I find it astonishing that anyone would find my thoughts 'ill-logic'. Am I really the only one that truly feels deeply angered about this?</div>
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Not sure how the "what goes around comes around" relates to wanting small children to be stomped by an elephant, but oh well.
 

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Boycott the circus and speak your mind about the horrors done to these animals.<br><br><br><br>
Maybe someone above you on the chain will open their ears and their mind and take you seriously.
 

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So much so that even <i>words</i> fantasizing about a natural consequence for an animal's human tormenters (<i>so that the abuse will stop</i>), seem worse than the <i>lived reality</i> of lifelong abuse towards an actual animal.
 

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The fact that you think being angry and fantasizing about a natural consequence for humans is so much worse than <b>ACTUAL</b> lifelong torment of this animal is telling about your speciesism.</div>
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That's what I was thinking too. Or at any rate, telling about a fundamental difficulty in separating actual reality from imagined reality.
 

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You're right. I do believe the life of an innocent child is more important than the life of an innocent animal. However, if given the "choice," I'd much prefer neither was harmed (hence, the reason why I'm an ethical vegetarian). As well as being a speciesist, I'm also an anti-dentite.<br><br><br><br>
And Aussy, though there's a fine line, indeed, I'm not sickened by you (nor judging you), only by your statement, "but I actually wish that those kids would have gotten hurt." They're just words/thoughts and not actions, and I recognize them for what they are. Being sickened was just my feeling in response to reading those words. Just as those were your thoughts in response to the initial story. They are what they are.</div>
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One of my personal pet peeves is when people read a news story and describe what "justice" they'd like to see dished out against the person in question. Except that this is even more petty because the children weren't even the ones hurting the elephant.
 

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I'm trying to catch up here<br><br><br><br>
whats an Ara's , anti-dentite , speciesist<br><br><br><br>
did try the search thing but nothing came up ....
 

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I'm trying to catch up here<br><br><br><br>
whats an Ara's , anti-dentite , speciesist<br><br><br><br>
did try the search thing but nothing came up ....</div>
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ARA=animal rights activist (or maybe advocate)<br><br>
anti-dentite=i dunno, prolly something to do w/ teeth<br><br>
speciesism= <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism</a>
 

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anti-dentite=i dunno, prolly something to do w/ teeth</div>
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So much so that even <i>words</i> fantasizing about a natural consequence for an animal's human tormenters (<i>so that the abuse will stop</i>), seem worse than the <i>lived reality</i> of lifelong abuse towards an actual animal.</div>
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I hardly think the children in question were the "animal's human tormentors." Perhaps the people that leg-chained the elephant and whipped it daily, or just generally mistreated it would be more correctly termed as the "human tormentors." To me, the kids are there because their parents put them there. They, like the elephant, are innocents. Wishing them harm (even with words) just seems illogical. And if they did get hurt, I do not believe for a single moment that it would guarantee even the slightest positive outcome regarding the abuse of animals. I have a tendency to think that it would have the opposite effect.
 

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Wishing them harm (even with words) just seems illogical.</div>
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Hardly any more illogical than your confusion between reality and thought.
 

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ARA=animal rights activist (or maybe advocate)<br><br>
anti-dentite=i dunno, prolly something to do w/ teeth<br><br>
speciesism= <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism</a></div>
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<br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thinking.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":think:"> oh many thanks ... Imm being some good post so don't think I will post a reply
 
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