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Some classmates of mine turned round and said:<br><br><br><br>
"vegetarianism / veganism is unnatural"<br><br><br><br>
"it's natural to eat meat, that's what we grew up doing" (as in ever since cavemen)<br><br><br><br>
"eating the animals stops overpopulation" (and things such as X is here for Y to eat and Y is here for us to eat)<br><br><br><br>
"why would God put animals on the earth if they weren't for eating?"<br><br><br><br><br><br>
I find that last one especially, completely ignorant.<br><br><br><br>
So I'm not very good in confrontations, especially when it's 4 people challenging me at once. I'm really shy, and I found it hard to get my point across, and when I answered the whole "How do you get protein?" question they just brushed my answer aside, like it doesn't matter, like "meat is the superior source of protien"...<br><br><br><br>
So I was wondering what you guys would say to these statements, because I'm not a good speaker, and I could do with some help.<br><br><br><br>
Thanks <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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1. we do a lot of unnatural things, and trapping animals in cages injecting with hormones isnt very natural either<br><br>
2. if less people ate meat they wouldnt breed them to begin with<br><br>
3. youre made of meat too, is it ok to eat you?<br><br><br><br>
id go along something like those
 

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"why would God put animals on the earth if they weren't for eating?"</div>
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Was your pet ______ was put on this Earth for me to eat him/her?
 

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2. "it's natural to eat meat, that's what we grew up doing" (as in ever since cavemen)<br><br><br><br>
I usually say that people grew up eating meat out of necessity, and as diets became more diverse and less meat-oriented, people lived longer (it was hard to preserve, it wasn't the healthiest thing to eat all the time etc). I also like to point out that many Asian cultures eat less meat than we do and their people often have longer lifespans that have been associated with their diets (when they're not being flooded out of their homes and such).<br><br><br><br>
Since I'm in college I also get a lot of random scientific-sounding people throwing biology at me. Their favorite is the "we have teeth designed for meat-eating" argument. My boyfriend, the carnivorous bio major defends me with a few evolutionary points when people try to argue with me about human development around meat.<br><br>
- we have canines designed to rip meat, but they're on the <b>sides</b> of our mouths, and we have not used them for that purpose for <i>thousands</i> of years.<br><br>
- humans eat can eat meat without dying, but we've evolved to a point in society where we produce so many types of food that we don't <b>have</b> to eat it to meet nutritional needs.<br><br>
- meat is nasty on digestion. It decays in our intestines. ew.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
Good luck. It sucks to have to argue, but you will get the hang of it after a while. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/carrot.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":vebo:">
 

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I often find that the best answer is no answer. It's just not a battle that's worth fighting, in my opinion, and most people who ask those questions really don't want to hear the answers.<br><br><br><br>
But, if you do want to take them on, you can tell them that basically, our teeth and digestive systems are designed for a vegetarian diet, and our closest animal relatives are vegetarians.<br><br><br><br>
Most of us grew up eating meat, but that doesn't mean that we have to continue to do so. Animal rights as well as health issues are reasons to change our ways.<br><br><br><br>
We breed an awful lot of the meat that people eat (pork and beef sources don't just appear without human interference). I don't think we'd be facing a pig population explosion if we didn't eat them. (I'm not sure how I'd answer if they brought up the deer population, though. Probably something about how limited food supplies can control animal populations, too.)<br><br><br><br>
The question about why God put animals on the earth supposes that God put animals on earth to serve humans in some way. I don't buy that. That's like saying "Gee, these trees were put here for us to use! Let's cut them all down!" Of course, by doing that, we destroy the Earth God gave us (assuming a creationist view, which is often behind the animals-serve-humans view).<br><br><br><br>
I still advise a smile and a shrug and an offer to refer them to a website if they're really interested.
 

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We breed an awful lot of the meat that people eat (pork and beef sources don't just appear without human interference). I don't think we'd be facing a pig population explosion if we didn't eat them. (I'm not sure how I'd answer if they brought up the deer population, though. Probably something about how limited food supplies can control animal populations, too.)<br><br><br></div>
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There are venison farms. There's one on the other side of the hill that my house is on. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> Standing watching them is what finally made me go vegetarian.
 

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"Because I think it's completely unnecessary and I think people who eat meat simply don't question it."<br><br><br><br>
If they really want more info, then I go into more.<br><br><br><br>
this: "but it tastes good and I don't think I could ever stop!"<br><br><br><br>
reminds me of smokers.
 

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Isn't the God argument groundless really, because originally in Genesis God supposedly created a seed for Man and a seed for the Animals, without them having to eat one another? So if you believe in Christianity, God's ideal vision was veg*nism.
 

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"vegetarianism / veganism is unnatural"</div>
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- It doesnt matter to me if it is unnatural.<br><br>
- Is factory farming natural?<br><br>
- Naturalness is not the point here. Choosing compassion is.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">"it's natural to eat meat, that's what we grew up doing" (as in ever since cavemen)</div>
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- If all humans always had done what they were always doing, wed still be sitting in caves and probably be freezing! Because the ones whod from time to time start playing with those flint(stone?)s would always get stupid stop doing that, weve always been fine without this remarks from the majority of their fellow cavemen! But wait, wed probably not even be able to talk.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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- Did God also put factory farms and McDs on the earth?<br><br><br><br>
P.S.: If theyre asking you these questions over dinner, tell them you will gladly answer them, but not while youre eating (your healthy & yummy & compassionate veg*n meal).
 

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There are venison farms. There's one on the other side of the hill that my house is on. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> Standing watching them is what finally made me go vegetarian.</div>
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Please don't tell me deer have to suffer through being farmed as well!<br><br>
Does anyone have links about this? I have a soft spot for deer and fawn. I cant stand the idea of them being farmed. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> Deer are truly meant to be wild and noone can ever argue with that.
 

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"vegetarianism / veganism is unnatural"<br><br><br><br>
And?<br><br><br><br>
"it's natural to eat meat, that's what we grew up doing" (as in ever since cavemen)<br><br><br><br>
I think it's sad that you're comparing yourself to a caveman.<br><br><br><br>
"eating the animals stops overpopulation" (and things such as X is here for Y to eat and Y is here for us to eat)<br><br><br><br>
I see you are not familiar with the simple concept of 'supply and demand'<br><br><br><br>
"why would God put animals on the earth if they weren't for eating?"<br><br><br><br>
If you're religious: animals have their own reasons for existing that have nothing to do with humans.<br><br><br><br>
if you're not religious: that's not something that I think about, considering how I don't believe in God.
 

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Please don't tell me deer have to suffer through being farmed as well!<br><br>
Does anyone have links about this? I have a soft spot for deer and fawn. I cant stand the idea of them being farmed. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> Deer are truly meant to be wild and noone can ever argue with that.</div>
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<br><br><br><a href="http://deer-n-dexter.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://deer-n-dexter.co.uk/</a><br><br><br><br>
That's a venison farm similar to the one near me. It's nowhere near where I live, I don't think the one near me has a website. I'll go see the deer at the weekend and take some photos to show what it's like. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("><br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.alternativemeats.co.uk/asp/default.asp" target="_blank">http://www.alternativemeats.co.uk/asp/default.asp</a><br><br><br><br>
Have just found this website and they are based near me. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/spew.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":spew:"> I live on the other side of Shrewsbury. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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I often find that the best answer is no answer. It's just not a battle that's worth fighting, in my opinion, and most people who ask those questions really don't want to hear the answers.<br></div>
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I have to agree with this one. If someone starts in with you like this, it's usually pretty obvious that they just want an argument, not an intelligent conversation. They're just looking for an excuse to make fun of someone, and you're their chosen target of the moment.<br><br><br><br>
So turn it around on them. Insult them back. Ask them how pathetic their lives have to be if they have nothing better to do than make fun of people who are better than them.<br><br><br><br>
--Fromper<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/juggle.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":juggle:">
 

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well, i've been faced with all these questions. I just respond with "you believe what you want, I'll believe what I want. Its a free world."<br><br>
and you need not say any thing other than that.<br><br>
I hope I helped.
 

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I totally agree. Most people that ask me aren't actually looking for the answers, they're just trying to change my mind about it.<br><br><br><br>
They make me mad. It's bad enough that I can't eat dinner with my meat eating family, I don't need your opinion. *argh*<br><br><br><br>
I just ignore them, really
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Serenstar</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><a href="http://deer-n-dexter.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://deer-n-dexter.co.uk/</a><br><br><br><br>
That's a venison farm similar to the one near me. It's nowhere near where I live, I don't think the one near me has a website. I'll go see the deer at the weekend and take some photos to show what it's like. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("><br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.alternativemeats.co.uk/asp/default.asp" target="_blank">http://www.alternativemeats.co.uk/asp/default.asp</a><br><br><br><br>
Have just found this website and they are based near me. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/spew.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":spew:"> I live on the other side of Shrewsbury. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("></div>
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Yes, I really want to see the pictures, those websites dont show what it is really like for the deer. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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"vegetarianism / veganism is unnatural"<br><br><br><br>
Various types of people and groups of people have been doing it since the beginning of time. And even if it wasn't natural, it doesn't mean it's right. I can't belive that eating all the crap that many omnies it is natural either.<br><br><br><br>
"it's natural to eat meat, that's what we grew up doing" (as in ever since cavemen)<br><br>
Even though something's been done a long time doesn't mean it's right.<br><br><br><br>
"eating the animals stops overpopulation" (and things such as X is here for Y to eat and Y is here for us to eat)<br><br>
If it hadn't been for us humans, the world wouldn't have as many animals as it does.<br><br><br><br>
"why would God put animals on the earth if they weren't for eating?"<br><br>
First of all, I would like to say that I'm not religious. But anyways; why do humans have to be the centre of "Gods creations"?<br><br>
Just because other creatures are "put on this earth" doesn't mean that they're put here for our pleasure.
 

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arguing won't help; Most people want to win an argument and will stop at no<br><br>
false point to achieve that end. Just smile and say,each to his own-or some such.
 
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