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Originally Posted by kill_uncle View Post

I was just thinking.

would you prefer someone you cared about give up meat or smoking?
Meat. Potentially hurting oneself is a choice that one can fairly make because one likes some activity; definitely, directly hurting innocent others is a serious ethical problem. Meat eating as N. Americans do it also has serious consequences for the environment. I'm sure the world has enough self-centered people already.
 

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Smoking. After watching my father die a painful death, and watching as my mother does the same....I'd rather have them eat a burger than go through that.
My perspective is different. After watching animals suffer tremendous pain on farms, transport, and in the slaughterhouse...I'd rather have my loved ones get over their selfish desire to taste flesh rather than have the animals go through that. People can choose the consequences of smoking for themselves.
 

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It depends on how much meat they've been eating regularly, and how many packs a day they smoke.

I have friends who smoke at most one cigarette a month. I don't know very many people who eat meat that rarely. A person is far more likely to be an occassional smoker than an occassional meat-eater IME.
 
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