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Mine is the one in Norton Utilities; it has more colours than the Windows one, fits on the screen and can play a music file as it does its thing.
 

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I never before knew there were other defrag programs .. I must someday check out this norton version!<br><br>
* OZ likes colorful * <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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Norton Utilities. But the only one's I've tried are the ones that come with win 95 and 98, and some other one I forgot the name of.<br><br><br><br>
I like that NU defrags the swap file. Windows neglects to do that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br><br><br><br>
Seems to me like <i>the</i> most important file to defrag!!<br><br><br><br>
Of course, they call their defrag utility "speed disk" and it took me a long time to figure out that indeed there <i>was</i> a NU defrag utility.<br><br><br><br>
I like the way u can change the colors of the various kinds of blocks, in the disk map, and the way you and click on the blocks and see what programs they are used for. However even with a tiny 4g disk drive, the blocks are just too small to distinguish from one another. Yes, I know you can change their appearance from bar to block. The "fragmentation report" is neat too. But I find the music and the animation annoying.<br><br><br><br>
Seems like I just defragged and now i need another one. Hardest part is baking up drive before hand.
 

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Tell us which operating system you are using.<br><br><br><br>
I badly need to defrag my hard drive.<br><br><br><br>
Whenever I do defrag, it messes up my Eudora mailboxes and many of my Forte Agent "boxes" or whatever they are called, so I really need to back these up first.<br><br><br><br>
I am told that if you do a <b>thorough</b> Scan Disk over your entire system and data area first, fixing all errors, and then run defrag, you won't have any problems. And the key to doing this is to shut off your screensaver and reboot in Safe Mode before running Scan Disk.<br><br><br><br>
There is some sort of freeware "helper" for both ScanDisk and Defrag. This one is called Power Defrag. Version 3 is shareware, but version 2.xx is still freeware and is available on their download page.<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.powerdefrag.com/" target="_blank">http://www.powerdefrag.com/</a><br><br><br><br>
There is also a shareware application for defragging called Vopt that I used the last time and it works great. I did not register it, though, and it does shut off after the 30 day trial period. But they have come out with a new version, so I may try that.<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.vopt.com/" target="_blank">http://www.vopt.com/</a><br><br><br><br>
It does cost $40 to register. But so does v.3 of PowerDefrag. And for $40 I'd go with Vopt.
 

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Umm, who you asking Joe?<br><br><br><br>
Yes, you ought to do a scan that includes a complete surface test, before defragging. I forgot to mention that. I do a scan in DOS. Shut down and restart in DOS mode, rather than run dos under windows. That way no windows program, at all, will be writing to the disk, while you are trying to scan. I forget exactly what the scan program in DOS is...i think you go to the <b>command</b> directory under the windows directory and type in scandisk (to run scandisk.exe), the dos disk scanning utility that comes with Windows 98 (I have windows 98se) and windows 95 (the windows version must be scandiskw.exe, in the windows directory). I use the windows 98 dos scandisk program to scan, not the norton utilities program. I don't see any advantage to using the norton utilities scanner, over the windows scanner, except it is a little faster when scanning floppies.<br><br><br><br>
I didn't like power defrag much. It is easy to scan from dos -- a cinch. Less complications. Power defrag adds even <b>more</b> complications to the already too complicated windows disk scanner running under the too complicated windows.
 

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I think it must have been you, Joe, that told me about vopt and power defrag, a few months ago. I tried them, but I like the Norton Utilities defragger best, and I already had it (tho it is like 4 years old already, and doesn't know about windows 98, only windows 95, but seems to work just fine on windows 98) so that's what I use.
 

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Michael, I don't think it defrags my downloaded movies... and out of the 30gigs I have filled, they're the majority. It's annoying though.
 

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I think you can defrag single files by copying them from one location on your disk to another, using either DOS copy or xcopy -- i forget which. It tries to keep the whole of the new copy together, as far as possible. I'm not sure about directories or sets of files identified with wild cards (such as copy c:\\sack\\p*.mov c:\\bag where bag (as well as sack) is an existing directory
 

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I might have to take that back about Nortons...... I'd installed Norton System Works 2003 (against my better judgement) and yep, things are playing up.<br><br><br><br>
I'd heard that Nortons had improved.... I need to contact snopes.com about that internet rumour.
 

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Kurm, you bought System works 2003? How is it... that is actually on my "to purchase" list and was considering buying it this weekend.<br><br><br><br>
Pros/Cons ??<br><br><br><br>
<edited to add> The only real issue I have had with Norton to date more than anything is that it is usually a resource hog. Is that still the case, specially with System Works 2003?
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Robert</i><br><br><b>Kurm, you bought System works 2003? How is it... that is actually on my "to purchase" list and was considering buying it this weekend.<br><br><br><br>
Pros/Cons ??<br><br><br><br>
<edited to add> The only real issue I have had with Norton to date more than anything is that it is usually a resource hog. Is that still the case, specially with System Works 2003?</b></div>
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Someone else bought it and I was 'trialling' it so I could install it and set it up for them.<br><br><br><br>
The install procedure was annoying in that in never really informs you how far through the install steps it is (and there are lots). I know, that's a minor one-off thing.<br><br><br><br>
Once installed, it did seem to add quite a load to the system (I trialled it on a Celeron 266, 96MB RAM, Win2K Pro (SP3)). The anti-virus component doesn't seem to have many options, and many of the utilities perform tasks that I am okay with doing manually. I had to stop several apps and services from loading at startup (hard drive activity was too high for too long after logging on).<br><br><br><br>
I'm sure it'd run better on a more powerful system, and would be okay for someone who doesn't know or doesn't care to do system maintenance (I'm twisted..... I don't mind doing it manually).<br><br><br><br>
I'm about to uninstall it, hoping the few problems I am having will go away. If they do, I'll report back. If they don't, I'll have some editing to do of my last post. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"><br><br><br><br>
I'll try it on another system (Pentium II of some sort with 192MB RAM, Win2KPro(SP3)) that I rarely use (I don't like Compaqs) and evaluate it some more.
 

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Ok, thanks... any input would be appreciated. The target system I plan to place it on is a PIII, 1 GHz with 512mb RAM using Windows 98SE.<br><br><br><br>
I really ought to start moving everything to Win2K Pro sometime. I bought the software and have never used it yet.<br><br><br><br>
<edited to change the RAM....forgot I had doubled it, duh>
 

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Okay, now I'm mad..... friggin' Nortons!<br><br><br><br>
I did a little testing with it, and it found errors that don't really exist (even on that other Win2K machine, which was a fresh install, it found lots of errors).<br><br><br><br>
Then I uninstalled it and now when I connect to the Internet there's no activity. Friggin' Nortons!<br><br><br><br>
Thankfully I have another hard drive with an installation of Win2K Advanced Server.... so I switched to that, completed a few installs and settings, and am somewhat back in business (however I do need to get my Win2K Pro installation connecting properly..... unfortunately I may have to do a whole re-install).<br><br><br><br>
Friggin' Nortons! Who needs to get a virus when you can install Nortons?<br><br><br><br>
So in summary; personally, I wouldn't recommend Friggin' Nortons! to anyone.... based on the problems I have seen it (Friggin' Nortons!) cause versus any benefits (people can just pay me to come and perform manual system maintenance checks <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">).<br><br><br><br>
Let me say it again. Friggin' Nortons!<br><br><br><br>
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This opinion is based on more than just this recent experience; I've solved many computer problems over the years for users (home, small/big businesses, and schools) by disabling or removing Norton products.
 

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Hey guys:<br><br><br><br>
Hi,<br><br><br><br>
My system always dies out in Windows when I try to scandisk or defrag even when I kill the screen saver and kill other running programs..... I have a damn Compaq..<br><br><br><br>
Just curious if you can post the steps to scandisk or defrag from DOS?<br><br><br><br>
Such as how you boot up in DOS mode only?<br><br><br><br>
Thanks, never worked out of dos before. Had my system for 3 years now and have completed a defrag and scandisk, sure it needs it. I hate pc's,,,,mainframes, OS390 is my love!<br><br><br><br>
Thanks again,<br><br><br><br>
KC
 

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I don't know about defrag, but to scandisk from dos just shutdown and choose "restart in dos" (differnt than just going to dos prompt, which is dos <i>under</i> windows) or hold down f8 or whatever, when you boot, to go to the menu window where you can select an uncomplicated "safe" version of windows, and select "DOS" instead of windows. Then at the prompt key in "cd \\windows\\command[Enter]" then key in "scandisk". That's it. Foller the prompts or whatever.<br><br><br><br>
You can make going to full dos a little easier by setting up a *.pif file (alternative to a *.lnk shortcut) that goes to c:\\windows\\command.com or copying one of the existing pifs that does this, from the c:\\windows directory. You can then get the "properties" dialog for the pif file and select the program tab, and the "advanced" button. There, check the MS-DOS mode selection box. "Keeping the current configuration" should be ok (saves you the trouble of altering the config.sys and autoexec.bat files, or making them if they don't already exist).<br><br><br><br>
 
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