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Wegmans is a wonderful grocery chain in my area- I'm sure some of you have heard of it. Their huge organic, vegan, and gluten free selection has made life convenient and easy for many people. They are driven towards marketing whole foods and display fresh produce from local farms every day. I have one 5 minutes from me with kids carts that hold my 2 kids and make it easier for me to shop for the vegan items I need outside of the farmers market.<br><br>
But I found a video.<br>
They have their own farms.<br><a href="http://www.wegmanscruelty.com/" target="_blank">http://www.wegmanscruelty.com/</a><br><br>
They have cruel practices with their egg farming.<br><br>
How can I support this business after watching this? Gah.<br><br>
My friend who is also vegan told me that she knows about the video- but feels that they have done above and beyond with regards to making organic vegan foods available that she overlooks it. I disagree. I am disgusted.<br>
Then I wonder about the practices of all these supermarkets in my area.<br>
Besides farmers markets, how can I get dry goods and other items when I feel I can't give these companies my money?<br><br>
Where do you draw the line and what would you do? Would you still shop at this store after watching this video?
 

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Any shop that isn't 100% vegan contributes to animal cruelty by producing, or buying, non vegan products. Even if a shop did seem ethical, they may even be owned by another company somewhere up the line that produces or buys vegan products. I don't think it's practical not to buy from companies in this way, and often it seems to me people pick and choose ethical equals. For example, not buying X because it's owned by Z, but buying things from supermarkets that sell tones of meat, milk and eggs, doesn't seem consistant to me. (Not that I have a problem with people doing it, but for me, it just doesn't make sense).<br><br>
In my oppinion the positive effect of increasing the demand of vegan products far ourweights the negative effects of giving money to a company with some unethical practises. Infact I'd be just as happy to buy an ethical product from a very unethical company, than by an ethical product from a 100% ethical company - because increasing demand in popular, big, stores where a lot of people go in and see them, has benefits only buying from small independant ethical companies doesn't, by bringing ethical products to the massess and making them appear "normal" and acessable, and making things like veganism seeming easier and more mainstream.<br><br>
So, I wouldn't have a problem with this at all. But I know a lot of people here would disagree with me. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Identity_thief</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2955095"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Any shop that isn't 100% vegan contributes to animal cruelty by producing, or buying, non vegan products. Even if a shop did seem ethical, they may even be owned by another company somewhere up the line that produces or buys vegan products. I don't think it's practical not to buy from companies in this way, and often it seems to me people pick and choose ethical equals. For example, not buying X because it's owned by Z, but buying things from supermarkets that sell tones of meat, milk and eggs, doesn't seem consistant to me. (Not that I have a problem with people doing it, but for me, it just doesn't make sense).<br><br>
In my oppinion the positive effect of increasing the demand of vegan products far ourweights the negative effects of giving money to a company with some unethical practises. Infact I'd be just as happy to buy an ethical product from a very unethical company, than by an ethical product from a 100% ethical company - because increasing demand in popular, big, stores where a lot of people go in and see them, has benefits only buying from small independant ethical companies doesn't, by bringing ethical products to the massess and making them appear "normal" and acessable, and making things like veganism seeming easier and more mainstream.<br><br>
So, I wouldn't have a problem with this at all. But I know a lot of people here would disagree with me. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"></div>
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I agree. Any producer of animal products is going to engage in cruelty as part of their business practices, there really is no way around that. If the store didn't own their own farms, then as part of the supply chain they would still be funding these very farms. And I live in a small town where there are no 100% vegan grocery stores. So the best way is to keep buying your vegan products, and if more people keep doing this, then they'll see that there is more money to be made through plant agriculture rather than animal, and then shift in that direction. Even if they could care less about the animals, anything different would be bad business sense.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Identity_thief</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2955095"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Any shop that isn't 100% vegan contributes to animal cruelty by producing, or buying, non vegan products. Even if a shop did seem ethical, they may even be owned by another company somewhere up the line that produces or buys vegan products. I don't think it's practical not to buy from companies in this way, and often it seems to me people pick and choose ethical equals. For example, not buying X because it's owned by Z, but buying things from supermarkets that sell tones of meat, milk and eggs, doesn't seem consistant to me. (Not that I have a problem with people doing it, but for me, it just doesn't make sense).<br><br>
In my oppinion the positive effect of increasing the demand of vegan products far ourweights the negative effects of giving money to a company with some unethical practises. Infact I'd be just as happy to buy an ethical product from a very unethical company, than by an ethical product from a 100% ethical company - because increasing demand in popular, big, stores where a lot of people go in and see them, has benefits only buying from small independant ethical companies doesn't, by bringing ethical products to the massess and making them appear "normal" and acessable, and making things like veganism seeming easier and more mainstream.<br><br>
So, I wouldn't have a problem with this at all. But I know a lot of people here would disagree with me. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"></div>
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That makes sense.<br>
I'm struggling with everything because I am a new vegan- and I'm just horrified by everything. I am having trouble sorting it all out in my head. I feel like I'm in the Matrix and went down the rabbit hole lately- lol.<br>
I have to feed my family- and aside from creating my OWN farm- I'm really left without choices here.<br>
I get what I can from the farmers markets now- but that won't sustain me. So I can boycott them all I want, but that would just punish my family. I am glad I can come here and ask these questions because I am struggling with everything.<br><br>
I have to stop watching these videos......
 

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Any time we choose to buy organic and vegan from a store, it alerts the company - and sometimes its competitors - that there is some sort of demand for those products. If there is enough of a demand, they'll introduce more of those products for its customers. For example, a local grocery store chain in my area has been expanding quite a bit in the past several years (and I think they may even be trying to start competing against the likes of Wegmans) and have begun to incorporate an entire "organic/natural food" section in addition to their existing stock of organic produce, dairy, and other foods located throughout the store. As the section has become more popular with their regular customers (and with vegans like me who like the convenience and the lower prices), they've actually expanded their selection and are becoming more and more organic/vegan friendly throughout their entire store. In other words -- if the company knows there's a demand for it, they'll provide it for their customers. If you continue to shop at Wegmans regularly and buy their organic and vegan selections - and encourage others to do the same - they'll know that there's a higher demand for such items and adjust accordingly in the long run.<br><br>
EDIT: Also, have you considered maybe writing to the company and sharing your concerns with them about their farming methods?? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Wegmans is my favorite grocery store. I really dont want to watch the video......
 

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A google search just turned up some info from last month about some new legislation being bought in which has been agreed upon by the Humane Society and United Egg Producers (which wegman's eggs comes under), to improve conditions for the hens.<br><br>
it's a pathetic effort really as the improvements are set to take about 15 years to phase in but at least it's an improvement on what they were living with before.
 

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the egg industry is in itself inherently cruel...not saying that wegman's isn't slightly worse than some other large producers, that is pretty unknown because it's such a secretive industry.<br><br>
I don't think going to another supermarket and giving them your business instead of Wegman's will change much. If you wanted to try to purchase more from farmer's markets or growing your own produce would be a way to not support those businesses.
 

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I deal with these types of conflicts by boycotting the product not the company.<br>
I think targeted boycotts are more effective at getting a company to change their practices, too.
 

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ElaineV, I think you're right on the mark <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br>
If we make positive choices in our purchasing, it can help change the tide and persuade businesses to adopt better business practices... or, in the very least, provide more positive items in their stock.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>ElaineV</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2955418"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I deal with these types of conflicts by boycotting the product not the company.<br>
I think targeted boycotts are more effective at getting a company to change their practices, too.</div>
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Exactly. One of the good things Wegmans does is marking some of its vegan products with a "V". I feel that they contribute to making veganism seem more mainstream.
 

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Exactly. One of the good things Wegmans does is marking some of its vegan products with a "V". I feel that they contribute to making veganism seem more mainstream.</div>
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<br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/yes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":yes:"> Wegmans is awesome when it comes to labeling vegan food and the variety is incredible.
 
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