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I do oriental dance and of late I've wanted to start looking into veil dance. However, most of the really good veils are real silk.<br><br>
What I've found googling around is something called "peace silk" - which is made by collecting the cocoons from wild silk worms after they have hatched. Now, I've also collected shells on the beach when it's clear that they're not the kind of shell that crabs move into or such - would this be in the same vein? Considering that, unlike eggs for chickens who will eat them themselves, the empty cocoons have no use at all for the silk worms, would it be okay to buy peace silk?<br><br>
As I said, I don't think eggs are okay because the chickens still have use for them, same with honey and bees, but the cocoons really are only left-overs. Right now I see it as the same as sea shells. Does anyone know more about peace silk?<br><br>
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I don't know much about it, but I'd rather just use a synthetic. Not sure about the vegan-ness of it; depends on your personal reasons for becoming vegan, I suppose. Categorically, it wouldn't be vegan, as it's an animal product, but beyond that, it's probably more down to personal preference.<br><br>
In terms of purchasing your veil, you said 'most' of the good veils are real silk. Why not get one that isn't?
 

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I don't know much about it, but I'd rather just use a synthetic. Not sure about the vegan-ness of it; depends on your personal reasons for becoming vegan, I suppose. Categorically, it wouldn't be vegan, as it's an animal product, but beyond that, it's probably more down to personal preference.<br><br>
In terms of purchasing your veil, you said 'most' of the good veils are real silk. Why not get one that isn't?</div>
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Truth to be told, I'm not completely knowledgable yet in terms of the veil materials and so far I know that silk veils behave the nicest and that other veil types are good in their own way too, but for different purposes. (Silk flies and drapes very well, for example, the flying is hard to find elsewhere, and I haven't yet seen veils of the kind that I'm looking for that aren't silk <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">)<br><br>
When it comes down to the term of vegan, in the end I don't care so much as long as no animals are harmed. That's why I think that honey and eggs, for example, are not okay, because the animals still have use for it themselves, but the worms leave the cocoons behind. I don't know, I'm still debating with myself.
 

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this is one of those subjects that could cause splitting hairs. It's really going to be up to you......if another person saw you were using silk as a vegan, they may question your validity....but if you were to explain that silk worms were not harmed and they were the left over remnants of wild silk worms, then hey.....<br><br>
My question though is it takes thousands of silk worms to create enough silk to do anything with, so how are they harvesting enough in the wild? just food for thought, because I don't know...or maybe you could contact the company and ask more questions.
 

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Peace silk wouldn't be good for a veil. It is a thicker, nubby silk -- I think it is similar to raw silk, dupioni or shantung. I think that the fibers are too short (due to the worm having chewed out of the cocoon) to make a very fine fabric. I don't see any ethical problem with it even if it's not technically vegan - you would have to make sure to get it from a reputable source, since you can't tell where the silk came from by looking at the finished product.<br><br>
I would probably go for a synthetic/manmade fiber like polyester or rayon. I just don't think peace silk is going to have the drape and sheerness you probably want. Peace silk is also crazy expensive -- I remember it being $20-30 a yard for undyed fabric a couple years ago, but I haven't checked it out recently.
 

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I'm a fence sitter.
 

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I don't see any ethical issue with this because, as you said, it's the leftover remnants. It's not something the worm has any use for or will be using again. It's not vegan but I don't see it as unethical to do this.
 

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Ethically I don't see a problem collecting wild silk cacoons, as long as it really was just that and it didn't have an impact on the environment/etc. It wouldn't be vegan, but IMO it would be ethical.<br><br>
I do wonder though, if you've never done this before and it's posing an ethical dilema, why start off with the best type of veil? I don't know if it's the same sort of deal, but there's no point starting off playing guitar with an expensive instrument because you're just not good enough for it to make enough of a difference for it to be worth it, is it the same sort of thing? Also, you might not even like it! So if it was me, and I was in a bit of a dilema about it, I'd start off with a synthetic veil anyway and work out if I really wanted to do it and if I could really tell that it wasn't good enough/made a difference to my ability to dance before I invested (not just in money, but in worrying and debating with myself!) in a "peace silk" one.
 

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So peace silk is te fines kind of silk . . . is it ?
 

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Ethically I don't see a problem collecting wild silk cacoons, as long as it really was just that and it didn't have an impact on the environment/etc. It wouldn't be vegan, but IMO it would be ethical.<br><br>
I do wonder though, if you've never done this before and it's posing an ethical dilema, why start off with the best type of veil? I don't know if it's the same sort of deal, but there's no point starting off playing guitar with an expensive instrument because you're just not good enough for it to make enough of a difference for it to be worth it, is it the same sort of thing? Also, you might not even like it! So if it was me, and I was in a bit of a dilema about it, I'd start off with a synthetic veil anyway and work out if I really wanted to do it and if I could really tell that it wasn't good enough/made a difference to my ability to dance before I invested (not just in money, but in worrying and debating with myself!) in a "peace silk" one.</div>
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It's less a question of skill, but more of style. It depends on the kind of things one wants to do - short Egyptian fling-the-veil-around-and-spin-a-lot style or vintage-American-drapes style, that kind of thing. There's just some things you can't do with certain fabrics.<br><br>
Anyway, I found acrylic silk veils and I'll give those a try <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I think to say it's not okay is just stupid.<br>
Being a vegan that uses absolutely no animal products even when they are harvested in a completely humane fashion is not proving a point and isn't setting a good example of what the face of veg*nism should be. It's veganism for the sake of veganism. It makes us look like pompous nut cases.<br><br>
Think of why you're vegan - is it because you want to stand up against suffering, or because you just want the title of being vegan?<br>
That's where you'll find your answer.
 

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Doesn't sound any different from picking up an empty seashell or a shed bird feather.
 

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From what I know of peace silks the worms are kept for their cocoons but are not harmed. I look at it more like vermiculture than sea shell collecting.
 
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