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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Truthrules</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
It was a joke...I thought that obvious.</div>
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You're a joke. That seems obvious to me.
 

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You're a joke. That seems obvious to me.</div>
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You said it..... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:">
 

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You're a joke. That seems obvious to me.</div>
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You said it..... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:"></div>
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Har har har, you guys can go suck each others dick now.<br><br><br><br>
Anyone and everyone who thinks eating animal meat is wrong is a joke. Get real, and get over yourself.<br><br><br><br>
BTW, I have a very yummy and juicy **** meat sandwich for anyone who is interested! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/pibo.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":pibo:">
 

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I've got a few issues with how Paul Watson goes about dealing with the whaling problem but the thing that bugs me the most is that he has claimed that he is running an 'all-vegan boat', yet him and his crew are throwing rancid <i>butter</i> bombs at the Japanese whaling ship. <img alt="" src="http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons/58.gif" style="border:0px solid;"><br><br><br><br>
How the hell is that vegan?<br><br><br><br>
Sorry, but I'm not giving his organization my money so he can f*** over the cows to save the whales.<br><br><br><br><span style="color:#FFFFFF;">.</span>
 

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Well, my two forums have collided. Was a matter of time...
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You're a joke. That seems obvious to me.</div>
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He makes some good points, whale steak aside.<br><br><br><br>
I caught a couple hours of the show last night, and have to say I'm not really impressed with any aspect of the mission other than its goal and <i>some</i> of its results (saving some whales and shining the light on the Japanese whalers breaking the law being about the only ones).<br><br><br><br>
For starters, the captain seems immature and self-absorbed for someone in his position. I mean, he <i>does</i> wear a badge he basically gave himself. I think that's the definition of self-centered. And his poetry... it's obviously all about him as much as it's all about the whales.<br><br><br><br>
The 2nd mate and the captain combine to make a rather terrible management team (the 1st mate seemed unimportant oddly enough). They don't run the ship like an actual high-risk rebel/watchdog ship, and they fall back on something that looks more like babysitting/corporate PC bullsh. Their attitude towards the crew is basically, "they're all expendable, and I don't care if they all leave because we can refill without problems." True, fine, but that's a terrible approach to management and your crew.<br><br><br><br>
They're bumbling idiots when it comes to people management and they apparently can't run the missions well since every one I saw had some major problem. I mean, the boats on Deadliest Catch have fewer injuries and problems than the Irwin almost! Lovely juxtaposition, I know.<br><br><br><br>
And the crew is very soft, equally incompetent, and whiny, with a few notable exceptions. Many also seem to be fairly self-absorbed. I mean, the one guy got all bent out of shape because the Japanese retailated by throwing "flashbombs" at them, like it was totally uncalled for and unexpected!<br><br><br><br>
And they <i>are</i> attacks. Being in arctic waters at any time of year is dangerous, adding a fine layer of lard onto the deck is life-threatening. As is "ramming" another ship. Simply put, the Japanese are the ones that are showing self-restraint and being considerate here. That's not good PR, and the "good PR" parts are really rather thin posturing that the average person will see through - and <i>that</i> attitude that creates that posturing isn't a positive at all. They are drama queens playing pirate.<br><br><br><br>
The show as a whole isn't good PR. The average person watching the show isn't going to look highly on the attitudes of the crew or officers, isn't going to respect their lousy execution and discipline, and is at best going to see a mixed picture. Understandably, with shows like Deadliest Catch being wildly popular, shows that deal with the flipside will tend to get a negative reaction; in one show the fishermen are amazing men and heroes almost, in this one they're the devil (the "enemy" talk is absurd and they need to rethink their perspective, hard, also). And who are the angels? A group of primadonna incompetents that act like they're playing a game?<br><br><br><br>
For me, the only really appealing characters were the engineer and doctor, basically the two people not taking part in any of the shenanigans. That's saying something considering I would otherwise love to see whaling stopped, no exclusions, and think if the Japanese can be caught breaking the law they should be <i>heavily</i> punished/fined. The political situation disgusts me, but apparently not as much as the people on the show <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/undecided.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":-/">
 

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Granted, I haven't watched the show (not a big fan of reality tv), but: are the personalities of the crew really relevant? In the end, I think all that matters (in addition to avoiding violence) is the success or failure in harming whaling and saving whales. Bad management or not, Watson is doing more than your average fellow at Greenpeace, and more than most of us who sit here watching reality tv and commenting. I'm not saying that means immunity from criticism, I'm just asking whether the crew being "whiny" or Watson being "self-centered" makes the whole project equal or worse to no anti-whaling activity at all.
 

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Granted, I haven't watched the show (not a big fan of reality tv), but: are the personalities of the crew really relevant? In the end, I think all that matters (in addition to avoiding violence) is the success or failure in harming whaling and saving whales. Bad management or not, Watson is doing more than your average fellow at Greenpeace, and more than most of us who sit here watching reality tv and commenting. I'm not saying that means immunity from criticism, I'm just asking whether the crew being "whiny" or Watson being "self-centered" makes the whole project equal or worse to no anti-whaling activity at all.</div>
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+1 and remember this is a crew of greenhorn volunteers not experienced sailors.
 

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He makes some good points, whale steak aside.<br></div>
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Never saw the show, I just have a hard time not being pissy with the trolls.
 

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It may well be vegan butter, but people don't always add the qualifier, for convenience and clarity. If I make something with butter, it's always vegan butter, but I just refer to it as "butter." And I'll call soy milk "milk."<br><br><br><br>
Or, because it's rancid, it may be donated freegan, as rancid butter would go in the trash.
 

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or it may be:<br><br><br><br>
butyric acid, also called butanoic acid, is also found in some fruits and is produced synthetically to be used as a flavoring agent in various food products.
 

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I'd think the greater concern would be for the emissions of those boats (...and pollution from sinking ships) than the few dollars they might contribute to some industry by buying butter.
 

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I'd think the greater concern would be for the emissions of those boats (...and pollution from sinking ships) than the few dollars they might contribute to some industry by buying butter.</div>
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So they maybe should use row boats to battle the fleet of 6 Japanese ships?
 

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Granted, I haven't watched the show (not a big fan of reality tv), but: are the personalities of the crew really relevant? In the end, I think all that matters (in addition to avoiding violence) is the success or failure in harming whaling and saving whales. Bad management or not, Watson is doing more than your average fellow at Greenpeace, and more than most of us who sit here watching reality tv and commenting. I'm not saying that means immunity from criticism, I'm just asking whether the crew being "whiny" or Watson being "self-centered" makes the whole project equal or worse to no anti-whaling activity at all.</div>
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From a PR standpoint, yes. And to me it is 100% apparent that PR is a primary goal of theirs. My point is that, although he is certainly being proactive, it could very easily backfire with a reality TV show.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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Never saw the show, I just have a hard time not being pissy with the trolls.</div>
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Understandable, and that's what he was.
 

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So they maybe should use row boats to battle the fleet of 6 Japanese ships?</div>
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It makes no difference to me what they use, but why complain about a few dollars of butter used for the same cause as this other harmful stuff that is excused?
 

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It makes no difference to me what they use, but why complain about a few dollars of butter used for the same cause as this other harmful stuff that is excused?</div>
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can you not understand that the [potential] exploitation of cows in order to save whales is a paradox that matters to some vegans?
 

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can you not understand that the [potential] exploitation of cows in order to save whales is a paradox that matters to some vegans?</div>
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That was a pretty short post, you could have tried actually reading it.
 
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