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Is it safe to click this link? Or does it have images of whaling?<br><br><br><br>
If it's just whales being whales without all the blood and torture, I'd be happy to watch it!
 

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It's footage of whales in their natural habitat, set to the 1975 classic anti-whaling song, "Wind on the Water" by Crosby and Nash. There is one brief image of whaling at the very end. If you don't wish to see it, just pause the video when the screen with text comes up.
 

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It's footage of whales in their natural habitat, set to the 1975 classic anti-whaling song, "Wind on the Water" by Crosby and Nash. There is one brief image of whaling at the very end. If you don't wish to see it, just pause the video when the screen with text comes up.</div>
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Oh thanks <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":up:"><br><br><br><br>
Though it's saying the video is no longer available when I try to view it <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thinking.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":think:">
 

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I'm watching this show now and I have to say ...<br><br><br><br>
They're not organized or disciplined enough and they're going to get one (or more) of their volunteers killed in some stupid accident. It's one thing to die while you're actually running interference between the whales and the whalers. But it would be a damn shame if Paul W's ego and his total lack of a proper chain of command and crew willing to follow that chain of command got someone hurt for no reason.
 

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they're going to get one (or more) of their volunteers killed in some stupid accident.</div>
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It's never happened in the many years they've been active.<br><br><br><br>
Their strategy is direct confrontation. The situation they're in is chaotic by definition. They must be doing something right to have had great success, and no injuries and certainly no death.
 

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It's never happened in the many years they've been active.<br><br><br><br>
Their strategy is direct confrontation. The situation they're in is chaotic by definition. They must be doing something right to have had great success, and no injuries and certainly no death.</div>
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I could not agree more. And given the chance would gladly serve under Captain Watsons command!
 

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the cause is good but i dont agree with watsons methods. hes no hero to me. i find it difficult to look up to or support people who are willing to resort to violence or put peoples lives at risk.
 

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I could not agree more. And given the chance would gladly serve under Captain Watsons command!</div>
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Same here. People who accuse him of being "violent" are beyond the pale.
 

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They must be doing something right to have had great success, and no injuries and certainly no death.</div>
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<br><br><br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whale_Wars#Controversy_and_criticism" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whale_W..._and_criticism</a><br><br><br><br>
Oh, and I generally dislike the idea of hurting other people to get the message along.
 

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Oh, and I generally dislike the idea of hurting other people to get the message along.</div>
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If you think all that Watson is trying to do is "get a message across", then you don't really know much.
 

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If you think all that Watson is trying to do is "get a message across", then you don't really know much.</div>
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Allow me to reformulate then; I do not approve of those who endanger other because of their cause.
 

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Let's reformulate again. You do not approve of those who endanger others in an attempt to protect or help victims of violence.
 

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Let's reformulate again. You do not approve of those who endanger others in an attempt to protect or help victims of violence.</div>
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Depends on the situation.
 

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Depends on the situation.</div>
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Or in other words, it really depends on your own political/ethical values. So let's just dump the "because of their cause" and replace it with "because of a cause that is not important to me".
 

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I have no problem with what they are doing or why they are doing it. But I think that their volunteers need to be more aware (particularly those who are on their first deployment with Sea Shepherd) that there is a chain of command on sea going vessels for a reason and they need to listen to it and obey the orders of the ship's captain and his designated officers.<br><br><br><br>
Sadly the show Whale Wars shows that while the Sea Shepherd organization is well intentioned and those with experience do at least attempt to have a proper chain of command the volunteers are a danger to themselves and others by not following protocols. And the biggest problem with that is because they're volunteer civilians there's really nothing that Watson can do to them other than lecture them.<br><br><br><br>
That could end up causing people to get hurt in the long run.
 

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The long run? They've been doing this since 1977 - over 30 years - and it hasn't happened yet. They must have some idea what they're doing.
 

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The long run? They've been doing this since 1977 - over 30 years - and it hasn't happened yet. They must have some idea what they're doing.</div>
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Well, in that case the show isn't showcasing them knowing what they're doing. It's making them look like a bunch of half-assed clowns playing sailor with a crew of disrespectful volunteers who wouldn't know port from starboard if someone told them.<br><br><br><br>
If the show hasn't been edited too badly they nearly lost a crew on the Delta and they had one broken thumb and possibly a fractured pelvis. In addition to dumping a crew of 4 (or was it 5) into frigid Antarctic waters. And that's just on the show. Sorry - but they don't really look like a tight group that has a solid chain of command or set operating procedures. I wouldn't sail under Paul Watson's "command" for any reason.<br><br><br><br>
But that's my personal opinion - and before anyone jumps me I realize it isn't shared by everyone here and those who passionately support him will do so no matter what. I also know that to those people my words are the equivalent of blasphemy in the religion of Animal Rights. I'm not saying that they're doing the wrong thing - I just think that this particular group is reckless. Again - my personal opinion.
 

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Yes editing can be often misinterpreted! Lets see next season how Daryl Hannah looks. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:">
 

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I heard an interesting argument the other day (second hand argument) that was pro whaling.<br><br><br><br>
They were stating the opinion of a japanese person who couldnt see the problem with whaling - after all what is the difference between shooting a deer (or bambi as they were referred to) for food/sport (as many westerners do) compared with shooting a whale for food.<br><br><br><br>
Now I know (almost) everyone here would be against both scenarios, but of course many omnis are fine with hunting, but not with whaling. I just thought this person made an interesting point for omnis to think about.<br><br><br><br>
Any further thoughts?
 
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