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I guess I'm a "night owl", but NOT by choice. Even if I have had a full 8 hours of sleep, it's near impossible for me to stay awake during the day, and even if I have gone 2 days with no sleep at all, as soon as the sun goes down I am full of energy 'til morning. When I just let myself go, I fall asleep around 7 am and wake up naturally and well-rested around 3 in the afternoon.<br><br><br><br>
This schedule makes my life extremely difficult and very sad, much more severely than I'll go into on this post. But it isn't just jet lag or from working a graveyard shift or something. It's been this way as long as I can remember, since I was 5 or 6 years old. I've tried almost every natural and OTC thing I think of and nothing has helped.<br><br><br><br>
Has anyone else dealt with this? My primary doc referred me to a sleep specialist but alas, I've been having trouble waking up before the office closes to make an appointment. I'll manage to make one pretty soon, but in the meantime I'm just searching for others who understand this and might be able to offer some insight.<br><br><br><br>
The only real medical thing I've found is something called delayed sleep pattern syndrome...the Wiki article actually sounds EXACTLY like me. But unfortunately it says it is not curable. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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gees what can I say ..you have been through it<br><br><br><br>
It would be good if you can get to a Dr even if it could be diagnosed you could work from there<br><br><br><br>
Reading your post there are positives . One is that you do have periods of good sleep cycles , the only problem is that they are at the wrong time of a normal sleep cycle<br><br><br><br>
If things don't work out to well at the Dr , can only suggest you could see a good hypnotist , there might be deep issues from your past .<br><br><br><br>
Just out of interest , and it might be a bit personal , so please don't reply if it is . But whats your dream state like when you are asleep , or maybe you don't have any ?.<br><br><br><br>
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Deep issues from my past? You think that could be causing this?<br><br><br><br>
I guess my dream state is pretty normal. Most of the time I don't dream, and occassionally I have good dreams, bad dreams, or just weird dreams. They're never prophetic or overly bizarre or anything- just normal dream type stuff. Like I'll have a dream that my best friend looked exactly like JD from Scrubs, or I'll dream that my brother was getting married on a traffic median.
 

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They have a pill for people with narcolepsy that will keep you awake, but it sounds like you still won't go to sleep at night, then. Have you tried moving to another time zone? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
I feel for you. I have night tendencies, not as bad as yours, but I understand. I just feel more active at night. Maybe from living with cats.
 

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You know I actually thought about that...it seems like it makes sense. But my friend has this exact same problem and she lived in China for years and said it was the same thing over there. If I do have delayed sleep pattern syndrome, I'm not sure about the time zone thing because I've been reading a lot of blogs and articles about DSPS and I haven't seen moving mentioned once. I wonder WHY my body does this, why anyone's does...what causes it.
 

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Deep issues from my past? You think that could be causing this?</div>
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Its only a maybe , any childhood trauma ? or it depends on your views on life ...it could go back to past lives .<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">I guess my dream state is pretty normal. Most of the time I don't dream, and occassionally I have good dreams, bad dreams, or just weird dreams. They're never prophetic or overly bizarre or anything- just normal dream type stuff. Like I'll have a dream that my best friend looked exactly like JD from Scrubs, or I'll dream that my brother was getting married on a traffic median.</div>
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Elibrown....thanks for sharing that
 

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Nope, no trauma Bluesand. I had as about a normal suburban upbringing as possible. Thanks for helping me figure this out.
 

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>>They have a pill for people with narcolepsy that will keep you awake, but it sounds like you still won't go to sleep at night, then. Have you tried moving to another time zone?>><br><br><br><br>
Indeed. A number of stimulants, typical and atypical, prove useful for promoting daytime wakefulness in narcoleptics. Also, GHB (under the trade name Xyrem) is often prescribed, because it not only promotes sleep at night but also wakefulness when it wears off.<br><br><br><br>
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I don't take medications for a number of reasons, but at this point honestly I'm willing to try anything. I'd sacrifice other aspects of my health to be able to function in normal society. My only wonder though is what those pills make a person feel like...surely artificial wakefulness must come at a price?
 

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In the case of stimulants, the price is jitteriness and a post-stimulation crash, along with the possibility of dependence. I'm not sure if GHB carries any sizable risks other than dependence.<br><br><br><br>
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you'd be an outstanding candidate for any night shift job that requires real vigilance; overnight emergency room technician/nurse/doc etc. Most people have a hell of a time trying to cope with shift work, and it gets dangerous for everyone all around b/c of accidents caused by inattention on the job or getting to/from the job.<br><br><br><br>
btw, it takes a lot more than just staying up a couple of days in a row to try to reset you circadian rhythms, so don't think that you can't adjust based on that. (i hope that made sense. I just mean don't be discouraged, just because you didn't get tired after staying up a few days in a row. you'd have to do it gradually over a long time.)
 

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I have narcolepsy, and this doesn't sound like narcolepsy. If you are bright eyed and awake at any time for hours on end it is not narcolepsy.<br><br><br><br>
Have you ever had a head injury as a child? Ask the Dr. if they can just schedule you a sleep study during the daytime. They do narcolepsy test in the day time. I am sure the switch wouldn't be a problem.<br><br><br><br>
If you feel healthy with this sleep schedule, you may want to consider just how foggy you might have to feel to induce a "normal" sleep cycle by using medication.
 

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So Gnome, the drugs that might help are stimulants? I have panic disorder and can't take any sort of "upper".<br><br><br><br>
Panthera that's an interesting way of looking at it. The only overnight job I've had is being a waitress, but I never thought about it in the way that I'd be better at 3rd shift work than normal schedule people. I guess that's a positive. I should research night careers. I'd be terribly unhappy doing anything in the medical field, but maybe there are creative jobs that take place after hours.<br><br><br><br>
Oh I DO get tired after staying up a few days in a row...the thing is I have a *very* healthy sleep schedule. I cannot stay up at ALL past my bedtime without feeling absolutely terrible. The thing is, my "bedtime" is 7 am unfortunately. This isn't insomnia- I definitely get sleepy and have no trouble at all falling asleep and getting enough sleep. It's just at the wrong time.<br><br><br><br>
I have spent a lot longer than a few days trying to reset my circadian rythm. I mean I've had this problem my whole life- I went through twelve years of having to be at school at 8 am and that still didn't reset my circadian rythm. Maybe there's some kind of trick or technique for resetting it I just don't know about. I've tried rotating my sleep cycle forward and backward, and it will stay on track for a couple of days, but I cannot maintain it over a long period of time. Plus, even if I get up in the morning after a full night's sleep, I don't feel good during the day.<br><br><br><br>
Yeah Life I didn't think it was narcolepsy- I have been in the hospital for a three day epilepsy monitoring unit (for symptoms unrelated to this), and my neurological activity is totally normal. I think the others were just suggesting the type of drugs used to treat narcolepsy.<br><br><br><br>
Never had a head injury that I can remember, at least not a significant one. Could that cause delayed sleep pattern syndrome?<br><br><br><br>
I'm definitely considering how bad I might feel on drugs. I do not take drugs at all right now, my panic disorder renders me unable to handle any kind of altered mental state. I have a feeling drugs probably aren't the answer here. If it is DSPS that I have, all the stuff I've read says that drugs are ineffective. But I guess I'll just see what the doctor says. Like I said, I'm willing to at least consider trying anything.
 

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hey! I have the EXACT same sleep schedule as you. I can easily go to bed at 7-8 am and wake around 3ish... if I do have to go to bed at a normal hour I need like 12-13 hours of sleep to feel like I can wake up! I don't have a solution for you though... just wanted to let you know that I feel for you. I usually just have to get almost no sleep and remain tired throughout the day when I have to get up early for class or work...
 

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>>So Gnome, the drugs that might help are stimulants? I have panic disorder and can't take any sort of "upper". >><br><br><br><br>
Yeah. Besides, these medications would be appropriate for narcolepsy, but probably not your situation.<br><br><br><br>
Interestingly, I have a friend with panic disorder, and she tolerates methamphetamine just fine, but has trouble with caffeine. Go figure. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
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Ha! Gnome that's weird...and it sucks. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("><br><br><br><br>
Thanks Thalia, good to know.<br><br><br><br>
Becker, helps to know I'm not alone. If only there were a 24 hour city built for us.
 

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I have a delayed sleep phase (around 3AM-12PM, not as severe as yours) and I find that "chronotherapy" is a good drug-free method to fix it, but you will need to wait until you have a few days off. If you normally go from 7AM-3PM, all you have to do is go to bed three hours later each day, until you reach a reasonable hour bedtime hour. So, the first day you go to bed at 7AM and wake up 3PM, then 10AM-6PM, then 1PM-9PM, then 4PM-12AM, then 7PM-3AM, then 10PM-6AM, and you're all nicely in-sync with a "normal" sleep schedule. Since it is easier to stay awake than to force yourself to sleep, it is easier than going to bed earlier every day.
 

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It's interesting how there are so many types of sleep disorders. I've never really talked to a doctor about it, but I seem to be on a cycle that just isn't 24 hours long.<br><br><br><br>
Every day, I stay up a little bit later, whether I want to or not. This causes me to have a harder time waking up at the right time in the morning, so I end up very tired from not enough sleep. Over the weekend, I catch up by sleeping late Saturday, then try to re-adjust Saturday night/Sunday morning.<br><br><br><br>
I seriously think that if a day was 25 hours long instead of 24, I'd be fine.<br><br><br><br>
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Fromper I was actually reading about something that sounds like that. It's called non-24 hour sleep wake syndrome. It's where your body thinks there are more than 24 hours in a day. You might look that up- maybe there are treatments that can help you. It is interesting all the different types of sleep disorders. It actually just recently occurred to me to try and learn about my sleep cycle- I seriously thought my entire life that I just had insomnia, or that I really was just a lazy, irresponsible loser like my mom said. But then I heard on Loveline or something a girl called in whose sleep schedule was just like mine, and it occurred to me that maybe this might be an actual disorder, since no matter how hard I WANT to be awake and productive and happy during daylight, it seems to be impossible for me.<br><br><br><br>
Seb that is what I do when I must be awake for something during the day, like a wedding or graduation or something. The thing about that though is that even if I do get to where I am sleeping at night and waking in the morning, it doesn't stay that way. The thing is, even if I have had a full eight hours of sleep, it's near impossible to get up in the morning, and even if I DRAG myself up, I feel like crap all day. Likewise, going to sleep every night is a constant struggle. I will even take a sleeping pill and feel woozy for a while but I won't fall asleep, and I eventually end up screwing up the schedule all over again.<br><br><br><br>
Maybe I've just been doing chronotherapy wrong my whole life?
 
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