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What are your views on killing animals?

  • OK to kill animals as long as they are treated humanely before slaughtering

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  • OK to eat animals (including human's closet cousins, the Great Apes) if you are poor & starving

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  • OK to kill animals that are not considered "sensient beings" (having feelings)

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  • OK to kill animals only in self-defense

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  • It is NEVER OK to kill an animal for any reason.

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  • OK to kill animals only if they are seriously ill or injured

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I was quite surprised at the reaction I got when I made a post entitled "Eating apes" last week. Afterall, I posted it here on the Animal Rights forum, not on the general Vegetarian forum. Anyway, I decided to post this poll to find out just what some vegetarians and vegans veiws were on the subject of killing animals. I will state right now that my husband views killing the great apes for any reason akin to cannibalsm and I am leaning towards that view myself, although his views are based mainly upon evolution and mine are based mostly on my views on the environment and sustainability. Please share your views on humans killing both wild and domesticated animals.<br><br><br><br>
ps: Please post a message stating the reasons for your answer if you like. Thanks.<br><br><br><br>
OH--I forgot to say you this is a multiple choice poll so you can vote for more than one as long as they don't contradict each other.
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/shocked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":eek:"> i did not know this was a public poll.<br><br>
I did vote that it's never okay however there was really no category for if the animal was suffering or anything like that. soooooo there you go.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>ElliottsMom</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/shocked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":eek:"> i did not know this was a public poll.<br><br>
I did vote that it's never okay however there was really no category for if the animal was suffering or anything like that. soooooo there you go.</div>
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Thanks for drawing my attention to that omission. I wish I had included it in my poll, but I don't think I can change the poll questions. Maybe others will just add that to their posts. Also I didn't see the option of making the poll private, Sorry. But if most people most a corresponding message anyway it won't make any difference if it is public or private. Thanks for participating!
 

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Woohoo! Elliotsmom is in the lead! You go girl! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
I'm abstaining.<br><br><br><br>
I'd like to say it's never okay to kill an animal.<br><br><br><br>
But that's me.<br><br><br><br>
I live in a country where food is in abundance and I have the means to acquire it.<br><br><br><br>
Also, to the best of my knowledge, I am not currently being attacked by a bear.<br><br><br><br>
Cheers!<br><br>
TJ<br><br><br><br>
PS. Sentient. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I didn't vote for any of those options because none of them seem to correctly state my views. I can conceive of circumstances in which I would not find the killing of animals morally objectionable. It would essentially require that the animals be raised humanely and slaughtered humanely, but also and perhaps most importantly that they be treated with a certain amount of respect and appreciation for their individual selves-- that they be allowed some freedom to be themselves and not be mass commoditized. I have no problem with the subsistence farmer who keeps a few goats to browse her acreage and slaughters one occasionally to keep their numbers under control, or with the Indian tribe who runs several thousand head of buffalo on nearly 20,000 acres and engages in a traditional buffalo hunt a few times a year. But very few of today's livestock animals are lucky enough to have such blessed lives.
 

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But very few of today's livestock animals are lucky enough to have such blessed lives.</div>
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How is being in danger of being hunted a blessing?
 

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I didn't vote for any of those options because none of them seem to correctly state my views. I can conceive of circumstances in which I would not find the killing of animals morally objectionable. It would essentially require that the animals be raised humanely and slaughtered humanely, but also and perhaps most importantly that they be treated with a certain amount of respect and appreciation for their individual selves-- that they be allowed some freedom to be themselves and not be mass commoditized. I have no problem with the subsistence farmer who keeps a few goats to browse her acreage and slaughters one occasionally to keep their numbers under control, or with the Indian tribe who runs several thousand head of buffalo on nearly 20,000 acres and engages in a traditional buffalo hunt a few times a year. But very few of today's livestock animals are lucky enough to have such blessed lives.</div>
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That's a good answer. Maybe we should start another poll about sustainability. For instance, the bushmeat trade in Africa seems to have turned into a really big business since the advent of clearing the forests and building roads into remote areas in order to plant agricultural crops (mainly maize). Seems to be a double-edged sword, doesn't it?
 

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ha ha, I just realized I haven't done the poll myself. It's only fair that I also participate. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Wild animals everywhere are in danger of being hunted every day of their lives. Is their freedom not a blessing? For the buffalo in question, it's a matter of their very existence. The Indian tribe that keeps them and gives them a place to live in the way they have always lived gives more to the herd than it takes. If they didn't have that place, they would have already been forced out of existence by the white man and his cattle.
 

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I have no problem with the subsistence farmer who keeps a few goats to browse her acreage and slaughters one occasionally to keep their numbers under control,</div>
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Those goats aren't free. In the wild, they would sustain their own natural population level.
 

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I would never <i><b>ever</b></i> kill another animal, unless my life or the life of somene I love was threatened. I believe that other animals have the same right that I have to not have their lives taken from them. I do not kill bugs. Ran over a squirrel about a week and a half ago (it literally ran out at the very last second) and was totally inconsolable.
 

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Those goats aren't free. In the wild, they would sustain their own natural population level.</div>
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I didn't say they were. And I didn't comment on whether that's the only, or even the ideal, way to maintain the population of goats. I said I don't have a moral objection to that scenario.
 

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I didn't say they were. And I didn't comment on whether that's the only, or even the ideal, way to maintain the population of goats. I said I don't have a moral objection to that scenario.</div>
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Okay.. but that's why I said, "How is being in danger of being hunted a blessing?"<br><br><br><br>
I'm sorry if I'm confusing you.
 

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I would never <i><b>ever</b></i> kill another animal, unless my life or the life of somene I love was threatened. I believe that other animals have the same right that I have to not have their lives taken from them. I do not kill bugs. Ran over a squirrel about a week and a half ago (it literally ran out at the very last second) and was totally inconsolable.</div>
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That's the question though, isn't it squirrel killer?<br><br><br><br>
Personally if it was between me and a bear I would have no moral qualms about how badly that bear would get round-house kicked to the head followed by a flurry of Mui Thai elbows to the head until I won the fightno way would I let that fight go to a judge's decision.<br><br><br><br>
If it was between me and a Rotweiller, same thing. One less dog barking in my next-door neighbor's backyard while I am trying to sleep I say.<br><br><br><br>
But without provocation or reason I am a peaceable man who says live and let live.<br><br><br><br>
But without having known the kind of poverty some people experience, well, needs must when the devil drives and all that. Who am I do sit where I am and judge others for trying to survive?<br><br><br><br>
No animal need ever be hunted by humans, although having said that I probably have more respect for someone who can kill their own food over the cowards who buy theirs shink-wrapped on Styrofoam slabs.<br><br><br><br>
But I'm still mightily opposed to it and think hunters suck. I'm just saying.<br><br><br><br>
I ran over a chipmunk while some of my more jerky friends were in the car six or seven years ago and they STILL bring it up. Like I don't feel bad enough without the constant reminders. Jerks.<br><br><br><br>
Cheers!<br><br>
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Okay.. but that's why I said, "How is being in danger of being hunted a blessing?"</div>
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Maybe instead of providing an example of how danger of being hunted can be a blessing (e.g., wild animals have freedom, but it comes with the price of danger) I should ask you, what are some of the many ways a life can be a blessed while still being dangerous?
 

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Well I voted for "only in self defense" but that would be as a last resort same as I would with a human. Also as someone has pointed out there wasn't one for if the animal is suffering and cannot be helped any other way, because I would also agree it is alright under that circumstance.
 

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I pretty much feel that it's never ok to kill animals, but I guess I have to leave open the self-defence thing. Since I am a-ok with bears, deer etc. attacking and killing hunters in self-defence, I suppose it would only be consistent to leave that option open for humans. But ONLY if their life is threatened, through an unprovoked attack.
 

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oh yeah, compassionate euthanasia too I suppose, where it is in the animal's best interest to not continue living (unbearable pain).
 

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I have had what I consider to be a pretty good life.<br><br><br><br>
No real complaints.<br><br><br><br>
I eat well.<br><br><br><br>
I'm in good health.<br><br><br><br>
People treat me well most of the time.<br><br><br><br>
But I don't think I would consider it in any way acceptable if an alien species came along and killed me humanely just to scarf me down like a jeezyburger.<br><br><br><br>
To exist in any way for the sole purpose of one day being eaten...that would totally suck in my opinion.<br><br><br><br>
I'll bet a lot of goats would feel the same way.<br><br><br><br>
Cheers!<br><br>
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I voted to self defence thingy, cause I wont mind killing a human if he was try to kill me <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/whack.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":whack:">
 
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