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Various other habits, beliefs, lifestyles, for better and for worse, are often associated with vegeterian- and veganism. What do the veg*ns here think of that? Which behaviors (etc.) might a person have that seem to be contrary to being veg*n? What about things you "expect" of people who are veg*n?<br><br><br><br>
I used to have a friend who would always rag on me went I used to smoke. "How come you so healthy and you still smoke them sticks, dog?" She would say. "Ain't no animals dyin' from me smokin, *****" I would retort. And so on.<br><br><br><br>
I, for one, tend to be moderately liberal, above-average about protecting the environment (I recycle as much as I can without bending over backwards), I call some of my femal friends "btiches" because I love them, and I use Linux <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"> I love animals, but I don't have much time for the political mess that is AR.<br><br><br><br>
I guess, all in all, I'm really just in it to impress the grrlz <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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I use Linux to write code for Windows! I like Microsoft AND I read the Linux kernel mailing list. I use CygWin and Perl to do my scripting on Windows.<br><br><br><br>
I'm a capitalist!<br><br><br><br>
I'm big on environment too.<br><br><br><br>
I'm for legalizing just about every drug there is - tho' I rarely take any.<br><br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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<div class="quote-block">"How come you so healthy and you still smoke them sticks, dog?" She would say. "Ain't no animals dyin' from me smokin, *****" I would retort. And so on.</div>
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It's actually a good point. Cigarette smoke is tested on animals to determine the toxicity of tar & other carcinogens.<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.library.ucsf.edu/tobacco/batco/archives/browse39_1.html" target="_blank">Here's a link to a bunch of documents relating to tobacco & animal testing.</a><br><br><br><br>
Not to mention the effects of second-hand smoke on pets, and the litter that is caused by millions of filters being thrown onto the ground by careless smokers which end up in our rivers, lakes & oceans (and cause forest fires) and poison & litter our ecosystems.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
(BTW, I'm a former smoker)
 

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Well, I'm hardcore pro-choice, do a lot of volunteering with NARAL, etc.<br><br><br><br>
Everyone always says "how come you won't kill a baby chicken but you will kill a baby human?"
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Gruntled Sheep</i><br><br><b>It's actually a good point. Cigarette smoke is tested on animals to determine the toxicity of tar & other carcinogens.</b></div>
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As I wrote that original post I was thinking about that exact thing. It is true, although mostly uninteresting to me, how smoking isn't good for anyone, including the animals of the planet we share. But that wasn't my friend's point at all. That *****!<br><br><br><br>
Hey oats, what flavor Linux do you prefer? I am just now downloading the Redhat 9 ISOs. I haven't got a Linux box currently, and I historically prefer SuSe, but I'm going Red because just in case I need to go back into info. security next year instead of grad school, it's a better flavor to know, I guess.
 

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sorry what do computer programs have to do with being veg*n? i don't get it. is one not an earth-friendly company or something?<br><br><br><br>
hmm let's see... we have natural gas heating, i still use a lot of packaged products and not all of that packaging is recyclable. although i don't drive personally, i sometimes get my boyfriend to give me rides rather than walk or bus, i drink a lot of coke and eat junkfood even though i know how bad they are for me, and i still sometimes buy things from companies i know use animal testing or make other products that use animal ingredients, but i'm working on that one
 

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I smoke, damn it! (See my conversation with EquiPro under the "no anything" thread.)<br><br><br><br>
I'm really not politically involved with anything. Part reticence, part laziness, I don't know ... I do vote in presidential elections, though.<br><br><br><br>
I come from a very liberal background, politically and religiously (atheist). But I think of myself as a "third way" pragmatist. Middle-of-the-road with a distinct slant to the left.<br><br><br><br>
I consider myself agnostic and find Buddhism very attractive (done a lot of reading), but don't practice any religion.<br><br><br><br>
I'm pro-choice 100% but don't think I could ever have an abortion. Although when I was younger I probably could have.<br><br><br><br>
I'm straight, but gay rights are important to me as I have so many gay and lesbian friends and relatives. Likewise, I have strong views on racial politics; my 21st century family (i.e. an amazing amount of divorce and remarriage) is <i>very</i> mixed. Years of living overseas have also given me strong views on the USA's role in the world.<br><br><br><br>
But all of that is about my <i>opinions</i>; in day-to-day life I pretty much just go quietly about my business. Being vegetarian and now vegan is about a very easy (lazy) change I can make in my life to improve things just a little bit.
 

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LadyFaile, Linux is a communist OS written to destroy Microsoft!!! j/k <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><br><br><br><br>
Max, well I started out with SuSE (this being #1 in german speaking Austria at the uni back then), later I switched to RedHat as my production OS. This YaST business (and the non-standard directory structure) annoyed the hell out of me in SuSE. I also had my own little distro back in the 2.0.x days. The Linux box here on my desk runs good ol' Slackware.<br><br><br><br>
I hear you on RH being standard. I kinda like RH personally too.<br><br><br><br>
I still have servers here running RH 7.0 *gasp*. But with uptimes of 200 days and such I just don't have the heart to restart them <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">
 

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Actually, using Linux (or another flavour of unix) might be connected with being veg*n. I attended the HAL2001 conference and my perception was that there were more then the average number of veg*ns there.<br><br><br><br>
My perception may be wrong of course.<br><br><br><br>
On to my views <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">:<br><br><br><br>
- I'm sort-of agnostic (or undecided), but I do attend (a rather liberal) church every now and then. Mainly to hear a good sermon to get me thinking.<br><br><br><br>
- I'm pro-choice, though I don't think that abortion should be used lightly.<br><br><br><br>
- I'm pro-euthenesia.<br><br><br><br>
- I'm straight but pro-gay-rights (the church I attend actually started blessing gay relationships in the 1970's).<br><br><br><br>
- I'm a 'bleeding-heart lefty' <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"> and I'm afraid of 'the state'.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Oatmeal</i><br><br><b>The Linux box here on my desk runs good ol' Slackware.</b></div>
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I started with Slackware! Good stuff, methinks. I would like to run ONLY Linux here at home. There are a few apps that I'd have to run through Wine (Dreamweaver, Photoshop, Reason, and a couple of others) and that's probably not going to be a problem, but I have a remote control, a media drive, and a scanner that all lack Linux compatibility <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by CharityAJO</i><br><br><b>Well, I'm hardcore pro-choice, do a lot of volunteering with NARAL, etc.<br><br><br><br>
Everyone always says "how come you won't kill a baby chicken but you will kill a baby human?"</b></div>
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I'm with you Charity!
 

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I think people expect veg*ns to be hardcore environmentalists, obsessed about recycling, animal rights, personal health etc.
 

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I am "hypocrite" enough to do animal research myself. I talk to my mice and beg them not to back stabbing me in the mouse heaven.<br><br><br><br>
I am pro-choice.
 

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> I think people expect veg*ns to be hardcore<br><br>
> environmentalists, obsessed about recycling, animal<br><br>
> rights, personal health etc.<br><br><br><br>
At least that's what we expect them to expect from us! It works both ways... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">
 

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Oh, people totally expect me to be healthy when I tell them I'm vegan.<br><br>
Example:<br><br>
Guy with bag of potato chips, *chomp, chomp* "I guess you wouldn't want any of these. I think I have some carrots in the fridge..."<br><br>
Me: "Uh, dude. Are there any dead animals in those chips? If not, gimme the grease, please."
 

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Not sure if I'm qualified to answer, since I just started 4 days ago... but check it out - I'm still on RH 7!! Yep, I got root too <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><br><br><br><br>
Other things to note, which people can't come to terms with:<br><br>
- I'm a born again Christian<br><br>
- I'm pro-marijuana legalization (but don't smoke it anymore)<br><br>
- I'm pro-choice, but I believe abortion is murder and life begins at conception<br><br>
- I smoke cigarettes (but want to quit)<br><br>
- I love fruit but hate vegetables<br><br>
- I curse like a sailor and damn things to hell all the time <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"> (but never people)<br><br>
- I love people, and love discussing and debating things (often come off as brash and blunt but that's me)<br><br>
- I'm a country girl, grew up on a farm in the woods, and can run a trout line (but wouldn't skin a buck unless I had to!)<br><br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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my mind is always changing but its gradually starting to mold here are most of my intellectual interests and concerns (besides veganism of course)<br><br><br><br>
-atheism (I hate the agnostic and consider it meaningless)<br><br>
-feminism<br><br>
-pro choice<br><br>
-pro gay and lesbian rights<br><br>
-love linux and is all i use as an OS (gentoo)<br><br>
-anarchism
 

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Me:<br><br><br><br>
formerly AGNOSTIC! (It's NOT meaningless. I wasn't sure that god existed, and was trying to figure it out. I consider "atheist" to imply that that person does NOT believe in god). Raised Unitarian, converted to Catholicism to get married, lost faith, got it back again - my life changed when I read "Converations With God"<br><br><br><br>
liberal, pro-choice, although, like fly_away, I believe that life begin at conception. I didn't believe that until I was 5 weeks pregnant and could heart my childs heart beat. It was hammered home when, at 12 weeks, you could see her putting her thumb in her mouth. I never had to make a choice to have an abortion (I was VERY careful to always be protected because I never wanted to make that choice), and I am thankful for that.<br><br><br><br>
I tend to believe that there are conspiracies where there is government, religion and/or lots of money involved. Currently I am spouting off about the NBA playoffs. The Spurs (our home team) are now up on the Lakers 3-2. I tell everyone that they WILL play to 7 games, damn it....think of all of the money they lose if the stop at 4 or 5. That's just the tip of my paranoia about the powers that be.<br><br><br><br>
I always vote anything besides Dem or Rep. After the last election I will never vote again until a woman is running. Don't get me started about how I didn't elect GW.<br><br><br><br>
I am very concerned about human rights. I am a member of Amnesty International. I believe that there is only one of us. That everything in the universe is only one thing. This includes all people, all animals, all rocks, all everything.<br><br><br><br>
I plan on making enough money to make a true difference in this world...especially where women's rights are concerned.<br><br><br><br>
I believe that we should be completely free to do as we wish, and as we feel necessary to experience in this lifetime. I believe that all sexual pursuits that don't hurt others should not be regulated, or given any attention whatsoever. I believe that all drugs should be freely available. I believe that we have the right to decide how we wish to live our life, and how and when we wish to end it. I hate how concerned everyone is about everyone elses life.<br><br><br><br>
So, that's about it.<br><br><br><br>
Oh, and as sunnyk has discovered, I don't beat around the bush. I CAN be diplomatic, but I find to do so via the computer takes just too damn much time. I put it out there, and come what may.<br><br><br><br>
EquiPro
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by bigdufstuff</i><br><br><b>-atheism (I hate the agnostic and consider it meaningless)</b></div>
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Which agnostic do you hate as your mind molds closed? All?
 
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