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Hello! I was just wondering about feeding your pets vege/vegan foods. Do many of you do that? Because my parent's dogs feed them Natural food, but I am not sure if it includes some meat or not.<br><br>
Anyway, I am planning on buying a dog and would like him/her to be a vegetarian. Any tips? Are there any vege foods out there? I guess I should look around too, but if anyone knows of any that would be cool.<br><br>
Also, I have told many my ideas of having a vege dog and they all think it is wrong! Everyone says, poor dog, dogs need meat etc, but I have been reading that they don't really. So what do you all think? Is it wrong to raise your pets vege?
 

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i don't have much experience with veggie dogs but everyone i know who is vegan and has dogs, they are veggie!<br><br><br><br>
just one other thing, you said you are planning on 'buying' a dog.<br><br>
i don't know if you mean adopting one from a shelter but please please please don't buy one from a pet store.<br><br>
i'm sure you are aware already that there are sooooooo many dogs in shelters that need a loving home.<br><br>
i found this link if you are interested:<br><br><a href="http://www.stop-puppy-mills.com/" target="_blank">http://www.stop-puppy-mills.com/</a><br><br><br><br>
(sorry if you know all this already!)
 

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Agreed. Please do not buy a dog from a breeder. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("><br><br><br><br>
As for veg*n animals, I'm against it. I feel it's forcing your diet on them when they clearly wouldn't make that decision on their own.
 

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I'm against veg*n animals as well, for the same reason Micheal gave. It just bothers me that people would force an animal to do something everyone is fully aware he/she would never choose to do in his/her own. What if someone forced you to eat meat? Would you like that?<br><br><br><br>
Mwa ha, food for thought *slaps knee*. I'm full o' jokes today.
 

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I believe dogs and cats are meant to eat meat.<br><br><br><br>
They have canines and claws and gulp down their foods. Humans have grinder molars that can chew plants and grains.<br><br><br><br>
Cats/dog's intestines are smooth and short, perfect for getting putrid flesh out of their systems quickly. Cows and humans, on the other hand, have long, twisty intestines with tons of folds that is meant to absorb what we eat, and if we eat meat, it spells disaster, as we aren't designed to hold meat in our intestines that long and absorb all that fat/cholesterol.<br><br><br><br>
From what I've read, dogs can probably eat veggie stuff as well and get away with it, but cats are meant to be more carnivorous. Although my cat does enjoy sneaking out and eating grass that little pothead, hehe.<br><br><br><br>
Right now I feed both my dogs/cats Science Diet Natural.<br><br><br><br>
Oh, I do feed my dog apple bits and carrot bits, she will eat anything I give her I think. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Well all this info. is very useful, thanks. I just read an article on it, so I thought it was interesting. There were people who said that they had raised their dogs vege and the dog was as healthy as a dog who'd eaten meat. And I don't think it is necessarily forced, but just an idea. It's not like I would hole the dog down and make him/her eat it. If it was obvious the dog was malnourished/didn't eat the food, then the diet would be changed. And yeah, that is what I meant by "buying" a dog, from the shelter. Mistype on my part....but yeah I am aware of the reasons for not buying from a pet store.<br><br><br><br>
Also, someone told me that the pets in the pet stores, once they get to big for their little closed in window areas, that they kill them. Do you know if this is true? Because that is horrible, and there wouldn't really be a way to prevent it because if you bought the dog, another would be put in its place.
 

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Supply and demand. If people stop buying dogs from pet stores, pet stores won't sell them. I actually asked my local Petland what they do with the puppies and kittens they don't sell, and they said they sell them all. Then I started asking about puppy mills and they asked me to leave because I was "disturbing customers." Ahem.
 

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My dog isn't vegan... but I'm definetely not against it. It'd be healthier for him, and of course better for the animals who are killed for his food. We're not talking about a dog going out and catching a rabbit, we're talking about feeding him the the left over processed scraps from factory farms. The only reason I haven't switced to vegan pet food is money.
 

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such as?<br><br><br><br>
Even the expensive dog foods are pretty bad for dogs from what I've read. Is there a free-range organic meat-based dog food brand that I don't know about? That would be nice. But yes, the expensive brands are going to be better than the generic brands.
 

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I'm not sure about dogs, I know a friend of mine buys canned cat food from the health food store that's supposedly a higher quality. And interestingly enough I know the lady that owns that store, she's vegan and feeds her cats chicken necks. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/spew.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":spew:"><br><br><br><br>
I assumed there would be something similar for dogs. I'll have to check into it a bit more.
 

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Cats can be perfectly healthy on a vegan diet as long as it's fortified with their essential vitamins, and Taurine. See <a href="http://www.vegancats.com/faq.html" target="_blank">http://www.vegancats.com/faq.html</a><br><br><br><br>
But, you have to be careful if you put any pet on a vegan diet. Make sure you know what you're doing. Don't just start feeding your dog carrots and lettuce and think he's going to be fine! Some vegetables (such as corn) are not good for animals. It's real important that you know what you're doing.<br><br><br><br>
 

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API has a couple good articles:<br><br><a href="http://www.api4animals.org/doc.asp?ID=79" target="_blank">What's In Pet Food</a><br><br><a href="http://www.api4animals.org/doc.asp?ID=689" target="_blank">Selecting A Pet Food</a><br><br>
There not pro-vegetarian articles, but they do give a lot of helpful advice and information, imo.
 

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Wow, you guys have some good vegan pet links here! I'll have to check them out when I get some time.<br><br><br><br>
I'm posting here because this weekend I read "You Don't Need Meat" by Peter Cox (2002). One of the common questions at the back of his book was "Can my cat and dog go vegetarian?" His answer was yes. He cautioned that meat going into typical pet food comes from the 4 D's - dead, dying, diseased or disabled. He encourages people to stop buying meat-based pet food. He did mention that cats do need an amino acid called taurine, found in the muscles of animals, but synthetic taurine has been developed.<br><br><br><br>
He then listed a bunch of companies selling vegan dog and/or cat food, as well as a book called "Vegetarian Cats and Dogs" or "Vegetarian Dogs" by Verona Reibow and Jonathan Dune. I can't find it on Amazon, but did find some books from an author named Pedan. If anyone wants me to produce this list, I can certainly do so, but I think you should be able to find it on one of the vegan pet websites that has been listed.<br><br><br><br>
I also recently purchased a book on natural diets for dogs, I'll read it soon, and if anything is worthwhile, will share what I learned with VB.<br><br><br><br>
After this bit of information, I may have to rethink what I am feeding my pets. While I still believe they are naturally carnivores or at least omnivores, I don't want to support the meat industry, nor do I trust the quality of the meat they are putting in my pet's food. Now that I am assured that a vegan food can be healthy for my pets, as long as I research on what to and what not to give them, I just might do this.<br><br><br><br>
I do believe that the first animal that died from Mad Cow disease in Britain was a pet cat called Max... I already knew this, but this book also goes through the entire history of Mad Cow disease in detail, and its written by a British author.
 

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Yes, it's true that bought cat or dog food just isn't the best and has some really disgusting things in it. Even if you find a good holistic brand, it is still processed. However, HALO makes this stuff called Spot's Stew that has actual chunks of chicken in it and whole vegetables like corn and green beans. It hasn't been processed at all. I give this to my cats. Also, I'm going to start taking turkey or fish home from my mom's whenever she has leftovers and give it to my cats. Nothing is better for them than the real deal. I've thought about making them vegetarian and I really don't see anything wrong with it, but I guess I'm just not going to do that. Well, perhaps I'll do more research to see.<br><br><br><br>
My dogs are vegetarian because one has major allergy attacks and cannot eat meat or she'll have massively itchy skin. I noticed that the allergy formula dog food I bought her is completely vegan so I knew that it would be safer, and less expensive to just give it to both of my dogs. At some point I'd like to make their food homemade and I'm still learning how to get to that point. They are already getting supplements so it shouldn't be too difficult.
 

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Brambles - A vegetarian Omnivore...<br><br><br><br>
According to the Sunday Telegraph, Bramble, living in Bridgewater, Somerset, UK, has just (August 2002) celebrated her 27th birthday, possibly making her the world's oldest living dog and a contender for the "Guiness Book of Records".<br><br><br><br>
How exactly does a dog live to be 189 (in dog years)? - Anne Heritage, 43, describes how Bramble survived at least one near-death-experience right at the outset in February 1977:<br><br><br><br>
"And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to everything that creepith upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and so it was" - Genesis 1:30<br><br>
"The day after we brought her home, the [New Quay rescue centre] kennels flooded and the other dogs drowned," says Ms. Heritage.<br><br><br><br>
"So she's been incredibly lucky."<br><br><br><br>
Aside from luck, Bramble's secret to longevity is a vegetarian diet. Ms. Heritage is a vegan and has brought up her pooch on the same diet regime she herself follows.<br><br><br><br>
"She has a big bowl of rice, lentils and organic vegetables every evening," says Ms. Heritage.<br><br><br><br>
"She loves exercise and has a real passion for being outdoors. She can be a thorn in my side when she's restless, but it's what keeps her going." - Anne<br><br>
In addition to healthy eating, exercise is a must. Last year while recovering from a back injury from a fall, which doctors said could have paralyzed her, Bramble began taking swimming lessons at a canine hydrotherapy pool in Stolford. She now enjoys a a half an hour at a canine hydrotherapy pool, where Anne's partner Roy Franklin takes her weekly on Fridays..<br><br><br><br>
She's still alert and active and goes for a walk four times a day.<br><br><br><br>
The Daily Mail reports Britain's oldest dog was a pedigree papillon called Fred who died at the of 29 in 2000. The world's longest-lived dog was an Australian cattle dog who lived to be just months older than Fred.
 

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I agree that dogs/cats are natural carnivores, I have a book called "Give your dog a bone' which outlines in great detail about why dogs should be fed raw foods - foods they would naturally eat out in the wild, e.g meat & bones.<br><br><br><br>
I think it comes back to personal choice also, but my dogs are not vegan, even though I am, it is really hard to feed them, the smell and yuckness of it all, but I look at it like this, if you had an orphaned baby lion or something of the sort to take care of until it was old enough to release - you would not feed it vegetables would you - we've all seen what a lion lives on and this is because of it's bodily functions etc. It could not be brought up on vegies - it's a natural carnivore (just look at it's teeth), and so are dogs and cats we have domesticated.<br><br><br><br>
Sometimes this is a hard subject to talk about, some vegans do have vegan companions, but I personally will not force my own livestyle upon a natural carnivore just because I may not like meat myself. I wonder if vegan cats & dogs have a mind to go out and hunt because they crave meat? Obviously cats still kill birds and things when they are outside animals, and I remember once I came home and found my dogs with a half eaten rabbit in their mouths. I think it's just the natural order of it, animals with carivorous teeth are suppose to eat other animals.
 

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The "don't force your lifestyle" arguement doesn't make sense to me. Even if I'm feeding them Meat Brand Dog Food, I'm forcing them to eat something they wouldn't eat in the wild. If I were to let my dog decide what he wanted to eat, he would eat chocolate, french fries and deep fried chicken, because those are his favorite foods. He doesn't want the Purnia Dog Chow that I put in his bowl and force him to eat. He wants junk food.<br><br><br><br>
So, the bottom line is, all of us are feeding our companion animals foods that they would not choose if they could choose their own lifestyle. So if we're going to feed them food that we are choosing (and not let them choose junk food, their natural choice), then why not feed them vegetarian food if it's healthier for them than mystery meat based food?! (Especially knowing that veg foods don't contribute to the suffering of other species).
 

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<div class="quote-block">The "don't force your lifestyle" arguement doesn't make sense to me. Even if I'm feeding them Meat Brand Dog Food, I'm forcing them to eat something they wouldn't eat in the wild.</div>
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I see what you're saying but I disagree. Put two bowls in front of your dog and let them decide. You don't think by only giving them one option, an option that they wouldn't voluntarily choose and one that just happens to mirror yours is not forcing your choices on the dog?<br><br><br><br>
And besides, all of the dogs I see in the wild eat out of garbage cans. So according to that argument you should just tip it over in the kitchen and let them go to town. Right? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">
 
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