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Just re-reading some of the July/Aug 2011 issue and on page 18, I see this tidbit that doesn't seem to make any sense at all to me. It just seems very weird to me.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">$22.9 Billion<br>
Estimated value of pest-eating bats to the agriculture industry per year in North America.<br>
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OK, what does this have to do with anything on this page that is mostly talking about brands of mustard? Second, what do they mean by estimated value of bats? Is there a bat farm out there? Do they use bats to combat insects? And how is this value (I'm assuming the amount of food not wasted by getting rid of insects) calculated? 22.9 billion dollars? It seems unlikely that naturally occurring random bats would make much of an impact, so I'm assuming they are being bred and used on purpose. And can bats really save almost 23 billion dollars worth of food per year? Has there been a real bat/non-bat farm study been done on a billion-dollar-level scale to study the differences? I truly doubt it.<br><br>
Also, are we supposed to be pleased that bats are killing insects by the billions or trillions? Seems strange that a vegetarian magazine would push this tidbit of information to the very people who would most likely not want insects killed. And finally, the source: Science. Is the source science in general or is "Science" some kind of publication?<br><br>
Sorry, this little section of that page just stands out to me as being very odd to throw in for no reason. I know most people will just gloss over it like I did the first time I read the magazine. I'm surprised this didn't stand out to me the first time around.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>sleepydvdr</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2966784"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
It seems unlikely that naturally occurring random bats would make much of an impact, so I'm assuming they are being bred and used on purpose.</div>
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You'd be surprised how many there are out there, most of them being mistaken for big moths by the few who actually look up at night when in an area with lots of bugs <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> And yes, they are wild.<br><br>
While living in Las Vegas, there were times that I would go to Lake Mead at night, look up, and just be amazed at the craziness that was going on above me. Hundreds and hundreds of bats, which you'd never see during the day and which most people don't even recognize at night, feasting on thousands and thousands of mosquitoes, gnats, and other insects.<br><br>
I'm not sure specifically why they added the quote, unless it has something to do with trying to point out the reliance of the industry on wild animals that could be potentially hurt by the increasing use of chemicals maybe? Not sure...<br><br>
I do not see it as anti veg*n though. Bats are living things, bugs are living things. Bats eat bugs. This is how it is for them, and they serve an important ecological purpose. They merely serve that purpose, they can't choose like we can.
 

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I'm still waiting on my first issue of VT, but had I seen that about the bats, it wouldn't have bothered me at all. Bats eat bugs. It's what they do. Some animals eat other animals.
 

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I think the motive of publishing something like is to help inform people who might want to kill bats (say, farmers) that bats can save them money by eating insects (crop pests).<br><br>
I'm a francionian vegan but I don't see a problem with bats eating bugs or tree swallows eating bugs or red-tailed hawks eating tree swallows. It's the circle of life, and it keeps the world in balance. I also believe that humans have evolved the empathy and intellect to rise above the endless cycle of killing. I am not a slave to my passions. I have a choice to not inflict death upon sentient life.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>nomad888</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2966795"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
While living in Las Vegas, there were times that I would go to Lake Mead at night, look up, and just be amazed at the craziness that was going on above me. Hundreds and hundreds of bats, which you'd never see during the day and which most people don't even recognize at night, feasting on thousands and thousands of mosquitoes, gnats, and other insects.</div>
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We have lots of bats in my neighborhood. Especially right now in August. I think they're migrating. You can spot them at dusk. At first you might think they're birds but then you notice how they fly a little differently. And then if they swoop low you can tell they're furry <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><br><br>
I would assume the Vegetarian Times article is referring to two things that bats do well that is good for some agriculture:<br>
pollinate<br>
kill insects<br>
The wikipedia article on Mexican Free-Tailed Bats (the kind we have in Vegas and that exist in many places in the US) says:<br><b>"Their pollination of sugar cane as well as their consumption of insects that damage sugar cane are the reasons why Bacardi rum features the Mexican free-tailed bat as its icon."</b>
 

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Bats = flying mice *shudders*<br><br>
I was at Valley of Fire once and we had to take refuge in a camper shell at night for all the bats. They really are amazing, though, navigating with sonar. They fly right at you and, at the last second, change course to avoid hitting you.
 

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seems a little random. it's probably a coded message to our agents in La Résistance. but perhaps i've said too much.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>julz</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2966866"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Bats = flying mice *shudders*</div>
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But have you seen their cute little faces up close? I think of them more like flying kittens <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Science is a peer-reviewed scientific publication. From Wikipedia:
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<div class="quote-block">Science is the academic journal of the American Association for the Advancement of Science[1][2] and is one of the world's most cited scientific journals.[citation needed] The peer-reviewed journal, first published in 1880, is circulated weekly and has a print subscriber base of around 130,000. Because institutional subscriptions and online access serve a larger audience, its estimated readership is one million people.[3]</div>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>nomad888</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2966881"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
But have you seen their cute little faces up close? I think of them more like flying kittens <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"></div>
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What kind of crazy cats do you have at your house?<br><br><a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/newvb/attachment.php?s=d0bb78978b68e6c653a3412bb31f5ee3&attachmentid=16386" title="">Attachment 16386</a><br><a href="http://cdn.veggieboards.com/6/6b/6bfa7991_vbattach16386.jpeg"><img alt="LL" src="http://cdn.veggieboards.com/6/6b/525x525px-LL-6bfa7991_vbattach16386.jpeg" style="width:473px;height:414px;"></a>
 

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^Thank you for the future nightmares!!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/devil.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":devil:">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>julz</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2966955"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
What kind of crazy cats do you have at your house?<br><br><a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/newvb/attachment.php?s=d0bb78978b68e6c653a3412bb31f5ee3&attachmentid=16386" title="">Attachment 16386</a></div>
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<br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smitten.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":smitten:">
 

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I approve of the agricultural industry's use of "natural" solutions to combat pests, instead of automatically turning to chemical pesticides. Not only do they use bats which eat insects, but they use ladybugs which eat aphids which are very damaging to trees. Since these creatures (bats and ladybugs) eat other creatures anyway, why not take advantage of that?
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>julz</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2966955"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
What kind of crazy cats do you have at your house?<br><br><a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/newvb/attachment.php?s=d0bb78978b68e6c653a3412bb31f5ee3&attachmentid=16386" title="">Attachment 16386</a></div>
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Meh, that's a bad picture <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"><br><br><a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/newvb/attachment.php?s=d0bb78978b68e6c653a3412bb31f5ee3&attachmentid=16389" title="">Attachment 16389</a><br><a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/newvb/attachment.php?s=d0bb78978b68e6c653a3412bb31f5ee3&attachmentid=16390" title="">Attachment 16390</a><br><a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/newvb/attachment.php?s=d0bb78978b68e6c653a3412bb31f5ee3&attachmentid=16391" title="">Attachment 16391</a><br><a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/newvb/attachment.php?s=d0bb78978b68e6c653a3412bb31f5ee3&attachmentid=16392" title="">Attachment 16392</a><br><a href="http://cdn.veggieboards.com/e/e5/e5ac693c_vbattach16389.jpeg"><img alt="LL" src="http://cdn.veggieboards.com/e/e5/525x525px-LL-e5ac693c_vbattach16389.jpeg" style="width:410px;height:313px;"></a><br><a href="http://cdn.veggieboards.com/e/e1/e1e625be_vbattach16390.jpeg"><img alt="LL" src="http://cdn.veggieboards.com/e/e1/525x525px-LL-e1e625be_vbattach16390.jpeg" style="width:209px;height:197px;"></a><br><a href="http://cdn.veggieboards.com/a/ab/abe224f6_vbattach16391.jpeg"><img alt="LL" src="http://cdn.veggieboards.com/a/ab/525x525px-LL-abe224f6_vbattach16391.jpeg" style="width:415px;height:525px;"></a><br><a href="http://cdn.veggieboards.com/7/7f/7ff6c3ed_vbattach16392.jpeg"><img alt="LL" src="http://cdn.veggieboards.com/7/7f/525x525px-LL-7ff6c3ed_vbattach16392.jpeg" style="width:350px;height:263px;"></a>
 

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I want a pet bat.</div>
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Here you go:<br><br><a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/newvb/attachment.php?s=d0bb78978b68e6c653a3412bb31f5ee3&attachmentid=16393" title="">Attachment 16393</a><br><br>
Or did you prefer aluminum?<br><a href="http://cdn.veggieboards.com/9/97/97f18596_vbattach16393.jpeg"><img alt="LL" src="http://cdn.veggieboards.com/9/97/525x525px-LL-97f18596_vbattach16393.jpeg" style="width:400px;height:400px;"></a>
 

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........Is there a bat farm out there?<br><br>
Thanks...I seriously laughed out loud at your wtf moment here....hee hee.
 

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Yes, Science is a scientific journal. But, it is weird and wrong to just cite the journal. One should cite an individual article within the journal, at least listing the authors and publication date.
 

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Here you go:<br><br><a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/newvb/attachment.php?s=cdc5a13e90a7b387d654cdf059e7f880&attachmentid=16393" title="">Attachment 16393</a><br><br>
Or did you prefer aluminum?</div>
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No, I prefer the animal kind.
 

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<a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/newvb/attachment.php?s=cdc5a13e90a7b387d654cdf059e7f880&attachmentid=16397" title="">Attachment 16397</a><br>
What about a nicely groomed bat? Cant say he's not cute!<br><a href="http://cdn.veggieboards.com/4/46/4692eb7b_vbattach16397.jpeg"><img alt="LL" src="http://cdn.veggieboards.com/4/46/525x525px-LL-4692eb7b_vbattach16397.jpeg" style="width:525px;height:429px;"></a>
 
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