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I haven't read the entire thread - so it is possible it took an unexpected turn. Yet I will venture an opinion anyway.<br><br>
I live in the Deep South. A small town in rural Alabama. Everyone is in everyone else's business here. It drives me crazy. I simply cannot stand it when strangers strike up a conversation. Drives me nuts. I despise it. I am not a Southerner. I don't want to be a Southerner. I live in the South because I don't like snow. Not because I like long conversations with total strangers in the cereal aisle.<br><br>
I like grocery shopping. It is "me" time. It is a time when I can relax. Read labels. Check out the produce. Day dream about recipes.<br><br>
I do not like being interrupted while grocery shopping.<br><br>
If someone walked up to me and started trying to give me their opinion on dairy milk vs soy milk my initial reaction would be to get quite annoyed. If they persisted in any way after I ignored them (which is what I do to people who try to strike up unasked for conversations) I would then get quite rude.<br><br>
See, everyone thinks that they're right about something. Which means that everyone has an opinion about something. That's fine. I just don't want to hear them. Especially when I am trying to get **** done - like shopping.<br><br>
I have had well-meaning dairy proponents try to steer me away from soy milk. They truly believe that cow's milk is healthier than soy milk. They believe that soy causes cancer/has estrogen/makes boys gay/etc. They really think they're being helpful. Yet I find them incredibly annoying. I bet everyone here would find them incredibly annoying, too. Why? Because they're telling us something we know to be false. They're telling us something we don't agree with. They're telling us something we don't want to hear.<br><br>
Why in the world would we think that our vegetarian/vegan message will be any better received than one from a stranger who decided to lecture us on the health risks of tofu and the benefits of a tasty steak???<br><br>
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Both the dairy milk is better/healthier than soy milk and the steak is better than tofu conversations have actually happened to me.<br><br>
The dairy lecture was from an elderly woman in the middle of my local Kroger store. She was in the health food section buying organic milk and decided to lecture me about the health dangers of soy milk and accused me of child abuse for giving soy to my daughter. My response to her, "Yeah. Okay lady. Whatever."<br><br>
The meat lecture in regard to my tofu purchase was actually initiated by the cashier.<br><br>
Everyone thinks they're right about something. I don't engage in behaviour I don't want to deal with from others.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>a Balloon a Balloon</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3094879"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
What if:<br><br>
Someone came up to you and started harassing you, asking to look at the labels on your clothes and asking: Are you 100% sure all these clothes haven't been made in a sweatshop?<br>
Or started asking you how you treat the environment, and lectured you?<br><br>
Just because we might believe it to be "right" doesn't mean we should push others into our values. Its a fine line between education+gentle encouragement and being intrusive. Engaging people in a store probably crosses that in most instances.</div>
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Why do you get the feeling that I would be harassing someone? Has this happened to you? I have had omnivores point at my shoes when I gave them a leaflet, as if they thought it was leather. They didn't harass me about it though, and I politely told them that they weren't leather.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>cornsail</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3095015"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Using words like "harassing" and "lecturing" makes it sound bad, but I honestly wouldn't have a problem with someone pointing out that one of my purchasing habits might not be the most ethical choice as long as they were concise and not unnecessarily rude.<br><br>
E: I think as a society we are too often concerned about looking the other way and not bothering anyone rather than bringing up these issues. Why is it so many people are not aware of what goes on in factory farms or in the diamond trade for example? I'm sure I'm ignorant about a lot of things, myself.</div>
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Thanks for your input cornsail. I'm glad I come up to you politely with information without getting a smack in the face or something xD "Why is it so many people are not aware of what goes on in factory farms in or in the diamond trade?" Because nobody really brings it up to people, that or they are afraid to because they are unsure how people will react to have their ways of life challenged. We are all ignorant of some things, and there is nothing wrong with having a polite discussion with someone to bring up key issues.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>SquarePeg</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3095457"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><br>
The dairy lecture was from an elderly woman in the middle of my local Kroger store. She was in the health food section buying organic milk and decided to lecture me about the health dangers of soy milk and accused me of child abuse for giving soy to my daughter. My response to her, "Yeah. Okay lady. Whatever."<br><br>
The meat lecture in regard to my tofu purchase was actually initiated by the cashier.<br><br>
Everyone thinks they're right about something. I don't engage in behaviour I don't want to deal with from others.</div>
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Thanks for your input square peg. However, while people may disagree with any health claims you say, this is where evidence from booklets to give them may come in handy. If they still aren't swayed then it might be better to focus on a topic that everyone for the most part can agree on. ---> Everyone has their own opinion on something but, when you put it like "Well, you may not want to go vegetarian or vegan, but don't we all agree that animals deserve to be treated well?" (This is how you can open a lot of tough omnivores minds.) From there, maybe you can reach some common ground with them and encourage them to visit to buy from local farmers that treat their animals well. Instead of relying on the soymilk vs dairy milk arguments where both sides think they are right, it might be beneficial to talk about choices that would be for the welfare of animals, since very few people can disagree with not treating animals well.<br><br>
I know you personally just don't want to engage in conversation with anyone, and that's fine, you aren't obligated to. Since you didn't read the entire thread, I will clarify once more, that if I were to engage in a conversation with someone at a supermarket over their buying choices, I would respect their wish to leave them be if they were to tell me they aren't interested. I feel like some people who post on this thread keep making the assumption that I would be harassing people or bothering them. It's only harassing or bothering if I don't walk away if they want me to. It's like leafleting, you offer a pamphlet to people, but if they don't want it you don't shove it in their face, and instead you just offer it to another person.
 

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Why do you get the feeling that I would be harassing someone? Has this happened to you? I have had omnivores point at my shoes when I gave them a leaflet, as if they thought it was leather. They didn't harass me about it though, and I politely told them that they weren't leather.</div>
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I don't think they were referring to you, but some members posted some tactics that <span style="text-decoration:underline;">were</span> harrassing, and if I saw it in a grocery store or anywhere else, I would perceive it as such. I don't think abusive tactics change anyone's mind. I don't admire screaming people, even if I believe in what they are saying. Anymore than anyone here would appreciate an omni screaming at me holding a steak, or religious zealot following me around the store screaming at me to accept God or go to hell, or someone yelling about sweatshops. I think it's entirely counterproductive.
 

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I think it just depends. Basically, you could approach someone gently and ask if they've tried a different vegan product instead of the one they're holding. Or you could ask if they care about animals and then if they say yes you could suggest the vegan alternative. But I think you have to be ready and willing to back down immediately if they don't want to hear it. Personally, I don't approach people in grocery stores and I don't like it when people get in my business. I'm almost always in a rush at the grocery store. I hate shopping for groceries. It takes way too much time, espeically if you have a toddler who wants to eat everything you put in the cart right then or else he's going to scream. I can't tell you how many bananas we've "stolen" because they never make it to the cash register. I just hate grocery shopping! So I don't like being there at all and I don't want to have any in-depth conversations about anything.
 

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Thanks for your inputs Jaine and Elaine.
 
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