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Whatever works for you Rachel. It's interesting to hear that you are a little different when you are at BBQ's. I'd personally never call anyone's burger a carcass burger, even if they were my close friends or family, but hey, if it worked for you, awesome. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> The horrors of the dairy industry may be as gross to discuss as periods, but the difference between them is that one involves humans causing needless suffering to animals, and the other is just more about a natural process. I think the unnatural one is most appropriate, and important to talk about, even though it may be gross.<br><br>
Meh, we all have our different ways of doing things. We need all sorts of different approaches to reach the most amount of people. So far I haven't successfully really gotten into detail with anyone at the store about dairy or anything else for that matter. But I'm trying to work up the courage to be more adamant about it. If I get general bad reactions, then I would know to either switch my approach, or switch to a different audience.
 

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Whatever works for you Rachel. It's interesting to hear that you are a little different when you are at BBQ's. I'd personally never call anyone's burger a carcass burger, even if they were my close friends or family, but hey, if it worked for you, awesome. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> The horrors of the dairy industry may be as gross to discuss as periods, but the difference between them is that one involves humans causing needless suffering to animals, and the other is just more about a natural process. I think the unnatural one is most appropriate, and important to talk about, even though it may be gross.<br><br>
Meh, we all have our different ways of doing things. We need all sorts of different approaches to reach the most amount of people. So far I haven't successfully really gotten into detail with anyone at the store about dairy or anything else for that matter. But I'm trying to work up the courage to be more adamant about it. If I get general bad reactions, then I would know to either switch my approach, or switch to a different audience.</div>
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I grew up with my dad calling them that, so I've never thought of them as anything else.
 

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I grew up with my dad calling them that, so I've never thought of them as anything else.</div>
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Haha, an omnivore, openly admitting what they are. xD Interesting, Rachel. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Haha, an omnivore, openly admitting what they are. xD Interesting, Rachel. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"></div>
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LOL - I have never met many meat eaters that hide their meat eatinginess! I grew up in meat country and this was pretty standard conversation. I grew up with family asking me if I wanted some "dead animal flesh." (amazing that it took me so many years to go vegan!)
 

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Just to throw in my two cents - I hate people coming up and bugging me about ****, even if it's something I agree with. I see no reason to approach random strangers, and I sure as hell don't want some stranger poking their nose into my business. If people ask my opinion, that's one thing - but if you just think that someone happens to look confused (when really, it could be anything they're standing there thinking about) then I would think it's rude to just start bugging them about their shopping. I would consider that being pushy and preachy, and I'm pretty sure most people I know would feel the same way. I would love it if more people went vegan, but I focus on doing what I can do make a difference, and not on getting into other people's personal business.
 

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Just to throw in my two cents - I hate people coming up and bugging me about ****, even if it's something I agree with. I see no reason to approach random strangers, and I sure as hell don't want some stranger poking their nose into my business. If people ask my opinion, that's one thing - but if you just think that someone happens to look confused (when really, it could be anything they're standing there thinking about) then I would think it's rude to just start bugging them about their shopping. I would consider that being pushy and preachy, and I'm pretty sure most people I know would feel the same way. I would love it if more people went vegan, but I focus on doing what I can do make a difference, and not on getting into other people's personal business.</div>
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Thanks for you input Kumo. However, people, at least around where I live, tend to at least be moderately friendly. Some will be awesome enough to engage in convos with you. I personally don't see the problem with politely engaging into a conversation about it with people. I'm sure many will be glad to know that someone acknowledged them. Shopping trips can be such a bore ya know?...people pushing, shoving. But like you said, I'm sure some people just would rather not be bothered. My best bet would be to "read" people and their body language. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> It's kind of the same thing with leafleting. You interact with people, even if only briefly, to put the message out. That said, you would most likely would not want to give one to someone with a camouflage jacket.... ^^
 

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I wouldnt give anyone unsolicited advice.<br>
I only really talk about veganism when someone asks me or says that "milk is good for you" blahblahblah.
 

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this isn't true. a lot of times they might be locked up all day, but the device that attaches to their utters isn't just left on. a small point, but we should avoid spreading misinformation<br><br>
Personally I don't bring it up. At most I'll recommend a product. For example, the other day a couple was eyeing a loaf of whole wheat, artificial preservative and hfcs free bread and I could tell the woman was hedging on the price so I simply said, "It's good bread" and the guy was like, "see, he says it's good bread". Not really vegan related, but it's a push towards a healthier food choice.
 

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Just to throw in my two cents - I hate people coming up and bugging me about ****, even if it's something I agree with. I see no reason to approach random strangers, and I sure as hell don't want some stranger poking their nose into my business. If people ask my opinion, that's one thing - but if you just think that someone happens to look confused (when really, it could be anything they're standing there thinking about) then I would think it's rude to just start bugging them about their shopping. I would consider that being pushy and preachy, and I'm pretty sure most people I know would feel the same way. I would love it if more people went vegan, but I focus on doing what I can do make a difference, and not on getting into other people's personal business.</div>
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confused, to me = more than two straight minutes staring at things on a shelf, with either an accompanying head tilt or a quizzical look on their face. and I've yet to find one person who wasn't glad that someone offered some sort of assistance. (that said, I don't talk about anything other than what's on the shelf - as in, 'you look a little lost. if you're interested, that coconut milk on the bottom shelf there is pretty good. if you like new things, it's worth a try.' as I said - I've yet to have someone be pissy for that.)
 

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confused, to me = more than two straight minutes staring at things on a shelf, with either an accompanying head tilt or a quizzical look on their face. and I've yet to find one person who wasn't glad that someone offered some sort of assistance. (that said, I don't talk about anything other than what's on the shelf - as in, 'you look a little lost. if you're interested, that coconut milk on the bottom shelf there is pretty good. if you like new things, it's worth a try.' as I said - I've yet to have someone be pissy for that.)</div>
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Two minutes of simply staring at milks is a long time. I would call that cause to turn around and walk away from the person. What were you doing those two minutes?
 

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the store I go to most often, has the dairy right next to the frozen foods. so I can pick up milk for my boyfriend, whatever milk I'm getting, yogurt for both of us, and cheese for him, and still have time to grab some form of ice cream or frozen chinese before I engage the person.<br><br>
edit: my dad did go vegan for a while when he dabbled with buddhism. didnt last long though.
 

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Personally, I think this would completely turn off and piss off more people than it inspires. In fact, the fact that you are making people angry might make them less receptive to vegan ideals in the future. I know I would be pissed if someone came up to me in the supermarket to lecture me about anything.
 

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Personally, I think this would completely turn off and piss off more people than it inspires. In fact, the fact that you are making people angry might make them less receptive to vegan ideals in the future. I know I would be pissed if someone came up to me in the supermarket to lecture me about anything.</div>
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LOL, am I the only person here who would be interested in hearing what someone has to say in a supermaret? Hey, if they have some awesome or insightful information I haven't heard about, I'd give them a chance. xD I'm scared to know that a lot of people feel differently o.o
 

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Personally, I think this would completely turn off and piss off more people than it inspires. In fact, the fact that you are making people angry might make them less receptive to vegan ideals in the future. I know I would be pissed if someone came up to me in the supermarket to lecture me about anything.</div>
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Remarkably normal behavior for a mod. I totally agree.
 

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LOL, am I the only person here who would be interested in hearing what someone has to say in a supermaret? Hey, if they have some awesome or insightful information I haven't heard about, I'd give them a chance. xD</div>
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Heh. That's a pretty liberal generalization of your original post.
 

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Heh. That's a pretty liberal generalization of your original post.</div>
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What? How? In my first talked I talked about how overall I'm pretty timid to actually go up to people and give the info. Now I'm just saying that if someone was brave enough to offer me important info, I'd be willing to listen.
 

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What? How? In my first talked I talked about how overall I'm pretty timid to actually go up to people and give the info. Now I'm just saying that if someone was brave enough to offer me important info, I'd be willing to listen.</div>
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Consider what you said you wanted to say to that woman. Is that simply, "I want to hear important info?" or could it appear to be a random affront to someone approached by a person she doesn't even know. You assume that your assessment of information as "important" is the same as that of others. Whether you are speaking the truth or not is immaterial if you are trying to be persuasive. You can be right every day of the week but if nobody likes your delivery, at best you are ineffective, and more likely you are counterproductive.
 

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LOL, am I the only person here who would be interested in hearing what someone has to say in a supermaret? Hey, if they have some awesome or insightful information I haven't heard about, I'd give them a chance. xD I'm scared to know that a lot of people feel differently o.o</div>
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But how would you know it's important information? What does any random stranger in the supermarket know about anything?<br><br>
Once in the nutrition supplements aisle, I was looking at protein powder. A fellow customer saw that I looked overwhelmed and pointed to one brand and said "this one's really good." In a few exchanges of words, I mentioned that I am a vegetarian. She said "Oh. Been there. Done that." Because of that, I decided that she was an idiot and had no interest in continuing the conversation.<br><br>
Helpfulness if someone looks mystified by soy milk is one thing. Judgment (even justified from our point of view) or preaching is going to be received very differently. Most people in the store are going to think you're a pushy lunatic.
 

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Consider what you said you wanted to say to that woman. Is that simply, "I want to hear important info?" or could it appear to be a random affront to someone approached by a person she doesn't even know. You assume that your assessment of information as "important" is the same as that of others. Whether you are speaking the truth or not is immaterial if you are trying to be persuasive. You can be right every day of the week but if nobody likes your delivery, at best you are ineffective, and more likely you are counterproductive.</div>
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Excuse me, but I know not everyone will think my message is important. Do you think I would be apt to give info to someone with a hunting hat? I said, that I might want to aim for reading body language so I get a better idea of who would be more open to the info. I can be right every day of the week, but if I give my material to people who aren't interested then I need to move to people who are.<br><br>
Overall I'm saying I'd hear someone out in a grocery store if they had some info that they thought was important (not that I necessarily think it is) that they want to share.<br><br>
Why does everyone feel like they HAVE to be right on everything? My god... I should just go around and say to everyone that wants to nit pick my comments "You are sooooooooooooooooooooo right." It's okay if everyone nitpicks my words but you all hate it when I nit pick yours...hmmm go figure. I shouldn't need to excessively clarify myself and my word choice.
 

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But how would you know it's important information? What does any random stranger in the supermarket know about anything?<br><br>
Once in the nutrition supplements aisle, I was looking at protein powder. A fellow customer saw that I looked overwhelmed and pointed to one brand and said "this one's really good." In a few exchanges of words, I mentioned that I am a vegetarian. She said "Oh. Been there. Done that." Because of that, I decided that she was an idiot and had no interest in continuing the conversation.<br><br>
Helpfulness if someone looks mystified by soy milk is one thing. Judgment (even justified from our point of view) or preaching is going to be received very differently. Most people in the store are going to think you're a pushy lunatic.</div>
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If things are going to be received differently to everyone, I will just have to go around and muck through until I find the ones that receive the message whole heatedly.<br><br>
Doesn't anyone here leaflet? It's only slightly different. You are still giving info to people that may or may not care about it. The difference with the store though is that you are bringing the topic up as people are going over an item that you have a concern with.
 
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