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I was at a grocery store the other day and I saw this woman eying the Lactaid Milk carton, and there was a bunch of almond milks, and coconut milks right next to her. I was super tempted to strike up a conversation with her and tell her how she should go for the almond milk or coconut milk. She most likely wouldn't have an allergy, and then I would bring up slightly how dairy cows are artificially inseminated and hooked up to milking machines most of the day, and by choosing non dairy milks, she wouldn't be contributing to that.<br><br>
I decided not to bring it up, but I felt guilty for not having done so, as I know perfectly well that I could have. This happens other times at stores too. I was at a CVS and saw this women looked at the aisle full of animal tested products. I wanted to talk to her and lead her to the shelf that was set apart and wasn't tested on animals...but I didn't. I fail. I'm just rather afraid. >.> I'm most afraid of store management kicking me out <.<<br><br>
*sigh* Have any of you tried to advocate to people at grocery stores? Overall, how are peoples' reactions?<br><br>
I'm always just worried about how I deal with people. I don't want to come off too strong and I don't want to turn people off. But I so badly want to let people know the truth about what they are looking at before they buy it.
 

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Informing someone who isnt asking to be informed is a delicate matter. They didn't come in to be lectured by a stranger. However, if approached correctly you can mention some good info. Instead of bringing up a controversial subject with a stranger, keep it light 'have you tried almond milk with normal cereal? It's so tasty!' If they respond with personal information or asking what you know about the product, reply casually and directly. 'Not yet, I've narrowed some tummy problems to milk, so I'm looking at options.' Makes it easy to say, 'yeah, dairy is a common allergy, and when you think about it, it makes sense!' Let the other person lead you. Or else you turn into that pushy health nut at the grocery store who pissed them off.
 

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Yowza, sorry so long. I just get into healthifying conversations at my grocery store every time I go, that's a snippet of a convo I struck up not too long ago. But I suggest all sorts of alternatives to people every shopping trip!
 

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Personally, I wouldn't make it my business, but that's just me. I think if you <i>have</i> to say something, make it nice and friendly. Don't tell them the gross details, just tell them about the one's you prefer. Then you're not preaching, just trying to help out a fellow shopper.
 

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The Sprouts by me has such a family feel, every shopper is up in each others business, so I guess that's why I feel it so common to infringe on another persons personal time. I guess it really depends on your store. My store is just super friendly and conversational.
 

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i would try to encourage the shopper to buy the dairy alternative, especially if she looked interested in it in the first place. but i wouldn't mention animal cruelty or veganism, just say something like "i luv that this almond milk, have you tried it yet?" or "This coconut milk makes my coffee divine, you should really try it"
 

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i'm tempted to say something EVERY time i'm at the grocery store, when I see obese people hobbling on their bad legs, using the grocery cart as a cane, and their cart is filled w/ processed foods w/ no produce.
 

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i'm tempted to say something EVERY time i'm at the grocery store, when I see obese people hobbling on their bad legs, using the grocery cart as a cane, and their cart is filled w/ processed foods w/ no produce.</div>
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My mom is one of those people that uses a grocery cart as a cane. And while she is heavy, it's not because she's fat, it's because she was in a car accident that shattered her ankle. Don't assume that all fat people limp or walk funny just because they're fat, sometimes there's other reasons that you might not be able to see. You'd never know her ankle was that damaged, unless she had that ankle showing and you could see the scar that runs halfway up her calf.<br><br>
That said: I don't usually infringe on anyone else, but if I notice someone eyeballing something as though they're a little confused, I'll throw the non-dairy or healthier option at them with the implication that it's so good I'd be surprised if anyone could refuse it. So far that hasn't failed, especially if it's a woman with children. And luckily none of them have seen me at a later point in time and tried to run me down with their cars, so I'm going to assume it's been a safe investment for them to have picked out the item I recommended.
 

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Interesting ideas everyone. I might want to put it out there though that if you push the animal concerns under the rug, you are reinforcing our current society, where personal taste for products comes first in people's minds. Sure it's good to bring up the healthy benefits of non dairy milk and how you are bound to find one that doesn't give you an allergy, it is also be good to say the product tastes good so people are more apt to buy it. However, I always feel the animals should come foremost in our minds, otherwise, people are only going to keep making ignorant, selfish (though they aren't aware of that) choices. Sure they may buy more non dairy milk if you tell them how great it is, but they will never know "why" they should be drinking it in the first place. Most, if not all of them, will not magically have an epiphany of the dairy industry by buying almond milk regularly.<br><br>
To people who think it's preaching, it's not. It's being highly informative. Preaching would be more like shoving it down people's throats when they have told you otherwise that they aren't interested or concerned. Oh course, I always, always try to make my conversations kind and polite with people. That's what I do when I leaflet vegan outreach pamphlets. I had two ladies tell me, (one who just previously told me she couldn't look at the pictures) that they would look at and read the pamphlets because I was so kind and considerate with them. So, likewise, I think I could do the same with a grocery store customer if I approached them right. Don't the animals deserve advocacy, after all the crap they go through? If the tides were reversed and those who are ignorant became the animals about to be sent to slaughter, I'm willing to bet 1 million dollars they would want humans to talk about their plight. What kind of a society are we if we are too afraid to bring up the truth? (I know I'm guilty of this myself...but I'm working on it.) Let's see how I do next time at the grocery store.<br><br>
P.S Another thing, if we don't bring up the truth, dairy industries will continue to dull the ignorant even more. Watch the True Moo Commercial? Apparently that little devil on the shoulder had no bad news to say about it. Don't people deserve to know otherwise? Can't trust the devil of dairy industries to tell em'.
 

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I have gotten in many grocery store discussions! Some of my more rewarding experiences have come from check out lanes and produce isles. Like others said though, definatly try not to make it seem like you are prosthelytizing veganisim to strangers...lots of people seem to hear that word and then nothing else. :S
 

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I probably wouldn't throw "veganism" right out there, so as not to automatically turn them off. However, I think you could, especially if you approach them right about it. Maybe some would be surprised to see a vegan so healthy? They might have really good questions about it. Many do, especially if they have friends who are vegetarians. But I would definitely want to make sure they are aware of the where their dairy or whatever else really does come from and how the animals are affected. Why muddle over it? The animals deserve our voice. Of course, be kind and polite about it so as not to get people off, but if they still choose not to listen to you about it, that's their choice. It's not on you, you did your part.
 

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I'm always promoting vegan sh*t. People often look confused when they are shopping and so I just try to be helpful. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">
 

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I don't want random people irritating the hell out of me in public, so I refuse to do the same to others. it's a common sense type thing for me. if they look confused, or they ask me a question, by all means, I'll offer to help. but I won't go out of my way to horn in and potentially annoy someone. that's just me.<br><br>
however, if other people want to do that, then by all means, knock yourselves out. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> just please don't do it to me, because I tend to get nasty if I have to say 'I'm not interested' more than once. I don't like to repeat myself.
 

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Rachel, I think you were missing the point of just going up to someone and explaining the truth about where their dairy comes from if they are looking at a carton of milk. How would it be irritating to people, especially if you come off politely and try to come to common ground with them? Let me give you an example. "Ohh, hey, have you ever tried non dairy milks?" "Umm no, I don't think I have." "Well, they have a bunch of different ones such as soy, rice, almond, etc. My favorite is Almond milk. Have you ever thought about trying them?" "I have seen them but I haven't really thought about trying one." "Well they are great! Not only do they taste good, but they also don't support the dairy industries that mistreat dairy cows." And from there you can go on. Potentially annoy? That could happen with anyone with just about anything. I get annoyed with some how some people chew their food but I usually don't attack them for it. Should people stop eating food around me just because the way they eat it could potentially annoy me?<br><br>
Once again, I'm not talking about people who "preach." Refusing to walk away when someone says they aren't interested is preaching, just actively engaging and informing someone on the truth of the dairy industry, when they haven't told you they aren't interested, is not. Don't you feel the animals deserve it? The animals are the ones that suffer from people's ignorance, not the people. What kind of a world is it, where people are afraid of engaging with their own fellow beings in informative conversation? I can't tell you how annoying, and blatant the conversations I mostly hear people talk about are. They usually deal with what was on TV last night or some narcissistic idea. Yet these are what people talk about because they the only things people can talk about safely without stepping on someone's toes or way of life. I wonder, if these people are ever truly happy with what they talk about, or if they feel like they are "missing" something.
 

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What exactly do you say to them Delicioso?
 

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i would try to encourage the shopper to buy the dairy alternative, especially if she looked interested in it in the first place. but i wouldn't mention animal cruelty or veganism, just say something like "i luv that this almond milk, have you tried it yet?" or "This coconut milk makes my coffee divine, you should really try it"</div>
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2nd. And only if the person looked at me, smiled, caught my eye, etc. Some people's only interaction with other humans is at the store, so they enjoy it.
 

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you'd be surprised. the majority of the places to shop around here are filled with stressed out and impatient people (with or without kids). if you can walk in an aisle and receive dirty looks from some of them, would you then try to initate a conversation with one of those persons? I sure wouldn't.<br><br>
and I know you weren't talking about preaching, but a lot of people take it that way, even if you mean well. I don't initiate conversations with people at a library or a bookstore, so I'm not going to do it at a grocery store. (however, as I said, if they look confused or ask a question - like if I pick up a thing of coconut milk and someone asks how that tastes, or mentions allergies and what would be a good option for those, I will answer. but I won't go out of my way to discuss something like what happens at a dairy farm in a store.)
 

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If people are going for their weekly milk, bread and eggs, they aren't expecting a social or informative experience. If a stranger came up to me with info on whale hunting while I was just trying to get in and get out, I'd be pissed they were up in my kool aid uninvited. You have to appeal to the general safety of a topic to see if there is any interest, before getting to the heart of it. No one is asking for an opinion while they are grocery shopping, so why offer it in the most generally uncomfortable way possible? However, I don't know many people who isn't open to a kind suggestion of tastiness. It's starts somewhere, like in the least threatening way possible. They get that soy milk you suggested, find soy and tofu are from the same place, so they try out tofu when they go out next, then they look up how to cook tofu at home, then that Google search leads them here.
 

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No I probably wouldn't strike up conversations with people who seem to be closed off...but I'm beginning to see no problem now with initiating a convo with someone if they seem polite and willing to listen. If you guys choose not to, that's your choice and what you feel comfortable with, but I feel more obligated, as of now, to speak for the animals, even though this will be rather uncomfortable for me as I'm shy. They deserve to be heard. More veggies = less animals being slaughtered. That's my goal. <3<br><br>
I'll let you guys know if I get mostly negative reactions from people or get punched in the face. Doubt it would happen, but meh.
 
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