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Quick question: Would it be ethically vegan to own chickens, provide them with nutrient-filled diets and allow them to live safe, etc., etc., on a family plot while still eating their eggs? I mean, is it more important to not eat meat, or treat an animal decently?<br><br>
Haha, not that I'm even considering giving up being vegan, but I've always wanted to raise my family how I've been raised, with a barn, with animals; it's easier to teach of the importance of life when it's in front of you.<br><br>
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In my opinion, would it be ethical? Yes. Would it be vegan? No. I think it's perfectly fine to do, but it just doesn't fit the definition of vegan. I was raised with chickens and we treated them well and let them live out their lives, and I think it taught me a lot about the value of life. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br>
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I've got it! I'll raise my chickens, and give the eggs to our neighbours... Yeees, that fixes it.
 

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Have you ever thought about giving the eggs back to the chickens? I've heard of people mixing the eggs into their food so the chickens get the nutrients from their own products. I don't have the information but maybe another user has more information or you could look into it?
 

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I mean, is it more important to not eat meat, or treat an animal decently?</div>
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Haha. I like this question. I would think it's more important to treat an animal decently, since that would remove the option of eating meat <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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The vegan thing to do, in my opinion, would be to provide shelter, food, and care for <i>rescued</i> farm<i>Ed</i> animals like chickens.
 

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What happens to chicken eggs if not taken by humans? I am not currently eating eggs, but not sure why it would be wrong to eat them in that situation.
 

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What happens to chicken eggs if not taken by humans? I am not currently eating eggs, but not sure why it would be wrong to eat them in that situation.</div>
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Ethically speaking I think it is fine. If they are not fertilized, often the chickens will end up eating them themselves, or leaving them forgotten in a corner. Speaking from a health perspective though, eggs are full of cholesterol. Give them to the neighbors <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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What happens to chicken eggs if not taken by humans? I am not currently eating eggs, but not sure why it would be wrong to eat them in that situation.</div>
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What happens to sparrows eggs and crows eggs?
 

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If you live in a developed area, even farmland, you're affecting the habitats of wildlife in many detrimental ways, even if you're vegan. Your land, transportation, deliveries, electric and gas all impact the lives of animals. So many reasons we have to be as vegan as we possible!<br><br>
I love your thoughts on farming, and wanting animals. I hope you mean to take in hens (or roosters-not both) from farm rescues, and allow them to live as chickens live. That wouldn't include taking their eggs, or breeding them. They'll eat their own eggs.<br>
If you have a dog, I'd suggest you give the dog an egg here and there. I believe even if on a vegetarian diet, dogs need some source of animal proteins.<br>
If you can, maybe you could take in other rescued farm animals. I'm sure there's a farm rescue in you state.
 

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I just had a thought, you could use the eggs in compost for fertilizer which can help to grow new food for the chickens (and yourself). Or leave them for the chickens to eat directly <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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what about if the animal farm is your only pot of gold, i mean like having a chicken farm for instance, this is where all the finances you use for living coming from..would it be ethical if you'll gonna sell the eggs in the market?
 

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what about if the animal farm is your only pot of gold, i mean like having a chicken farm for instance, this is where all the finances you use for living coming from..would it be ethical if you'll gonna sell the eggs in the market?</div>
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No. It would not be ethical. Nor would it be vegan.<br><br>
The main issue is that you're thinking about chickens in a way that's not about who they are and what they need, but rather you're thinkgin about them in a way that's about what you can get from them.<br><br>
Just change the word "chicken" in your posts to "bald eagle" or "platypus" and maybe you can get a better idea of what I mean. Would it be ethical to have a bald eagle farm and sell bald eagle eggs at the farmer's market so long as you didn't keep the eagles in battery cages, cut off the tips of their beaks, pump them full of hormones and antibiotics, or mess with their biological clocks to force them to molt? I hope you agree that no, bald eagles deserve more fredom than simply the fredom from egregious abuse. Chickens are no different from bald eagles in that respect.<br><br>
The other issues are these:<br>
- what happens to the males?<br>
- what happens when the hens stop producing eggs?<br>
- who is going to pay such high prices for "quality eggs" and is that niche market sustainable?<br>
- what do you do when your customers start deciding to raise their own hens in their backyards?<br>
- the skills it would take you to be a successful small farmer in today's economy competing with Big Ag are likely skills that could be very profitable in other fields. So it's not likely that chickens' egg "farming" is the only choice you have.<br>
- aren't there better ways to use the land?
 

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Wow, there are so many good thoughts in this thread - I wasn't expecting so many responses!<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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Have you ever thought about giving the eggs back to the chickens? I've heard of people mixing the eggs into their food so the chickens get the nutrients from their own products. I don't have the information but maybe another user has more information or you could look into it?</div>
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I haven't heard of it either, although I know that some of our chickens would eat their eggs if we left them too long with them (back when I was a youngin'! Haha).<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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There are a lot of rescued farm animals needing homes. It would be much better to give them a home, than to buy from someone who breeds them.</div>
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Oh, absolutely! I've got no desire to purchase from a breeder. There was an animal auction we went to when I was little, and it was always a hassle for my father because I wanted all the very sad looking animals. I distinctly remember there being three white kittens up for auction. My father wouldn't bid on them because they were "sick", he said. One of them was bleeding at the mouth... I think it's been closed down, but there are plenty of animal abusers around, definitely a surplus of animals needing love, which I'm looking forward to providing.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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Haha. I like this question. I would think it's more important to treat an animal decently, since that would remove the option of eating meat <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"></div>
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... -.- Oh me. Haha, I meant not to write meat, but other alternatives: eggs, in this particular case.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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If you can, maybe you could take in other rescued farm animals. I'm sure there's a farm rescue in you state.</div>
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Interesting you mention this, because I <i>really</i> want a cow. I also know to keep it from being lonely, it'll need a friend! This makes me even more excited at the prospect. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"> But erm, province. Bit north o' you.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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I just had a thought, you could use the eggs in compost for fertilizer which can help to grow new food for the chickens (and yourself). Or leave them for the chickens to eat directly <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"></div>
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Compost... Hmm, there's a thought, I'll look into it methinks.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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what about if the animal farm is your only pot of gold, i mean like having a chicken farm for instance, this is where all the finances you use for living coming from..would it be ethical if you'll gonna sell the eggs in the market?</div>
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Like ElaineV brought up, it isn't ethical. If you're gonna do that, there's no difference, ethically, if your pot of gold happens to be in raising cattle for the slaughter. In my opinion, anyway.
 

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That is what I was going to say ..
 

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Quick question: Would it be ethically vegan to own chickens, provide them with nutrient-filled diets and allow them to live safe, etc., etc., on a family plot while still eating their eggs? I mean, is it more important to not eat meat, or treat an animal decently?<br><br>
Haha, not that I'm even considering giving up being vegan, but I've always wanted to raise my family how I've been raised, with a barn, with animals; it's easier to teach of the importance of life when it's in front of you.<br><br>
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The problem with sensible and responsible people owning animals is very simply that idiots, who want to be like them, copy them.<br><br>
VERY sensible and VERY responsible people may do the 'infinite idiots to every single sensible and responsible person' maths on this and conclude that animal ownership is neither a very sensible nor very responsible thing to do.
 

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The problem with sensible and responsible people owning animals is very simply that idiots, who want to be like them, copy them.<br><br>
VERY sensible and VERY responsible people may do the 'infinite idiots to every single sensible and responsible person' maths on this and conclude that animal ownership is neither a very sensible nor very responsible thing to do.</div>
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With all due respect, your comment is quite frankly, idiotic. We've placed a very many species of animals into situations where they couldn't last in "the wild", which in and of itself is a misnomer, since we've decided we need absolutely every last square inch of the planet's land surface and there really isn't much left that's truly wild; we've domesticated a number of animals we call pets, who are happy, insofar as people treat, care for, and love properly, and who make us happy.<br><br>
So yes, we could do the "very sensible and very responsible" thing and not own animals because we're frightened some idiot will play monkey-see, monkey-do, or we can step up and be responsible for what we've done, and giving even one animal, cat, dog, chicken or cow, a better life is a part of taking responsibility.
 
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