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I was reading this <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/blogs/the-omnivore/5562497/Making-a-meal-thats-vegan-friendly" target="_blank">article</a> about omnivores "making a meal that's vegan-friendly", in particular catering to vegan friends and some of the comments really made me sad. I had no idea that some people could get so bitter about this! I guess I am lucky to be surrounded by normal folks who don't mind my personal choices and would make me feel welcome in their house or at their table, this includes respecting my veganism.<br><br>
What do you think about the comments? Is this bitterness normal in your life or just a rare exception?
 

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Don't worry about it too much. Some people are too sensitive themselves and do not care about others at all. Like the first comment ... "I just don't. They can bring their own or eat the vegetables. I don't indulge pointless 'isms' and I would make a point of cooking the rarest of steaks to eat with them." ... if I had a friend like that, they would immediately be somebody who I would cut off all contact with. Then again, I guess if they are making "a point of cooking the rarest of streaks to eat with them," then they obviously want nothing to do with vegans. And I want nothing to do with him.<br><br>
Point being, reading comments on an online article - whether it's a blog or a newspaper article - oftentimes is not a good idea because it is not truly representative of people's opinions and oftentimes people just write things for shock value. Just focus on surrounding yourself with people who at least respect your eating habits and take what you read online in places like that with a grain of salt.<br><br>
To answer your last question, I think this bitterness can be normal on other message boards or comments sections for articles, not necessarily in real life and (thankfully!) not here.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>lovingthegreen</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2988000"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Point being, reading comments on an online article - whether it's a blog or a newspaper article - oftentimes is not a good idea because it is not truly representative of people's opinions and oftentimes people just write things for shock value. Just focus on surrounding yourself with people who at least respect your eating habits and take what you read online in places like that with a grain of salt.<br><br>
To answer your last question, I think this bitterness can be normal on other message boards or comments sections for articles, not necessarily in real life and (thankfully!) not here.</div>
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The meat eaters make more of a stink about veganism than vegans make about meat eating any day. Any time I see an article like this, all of the really nasty comments are made by omni's. Always.
 

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I think there is a point of "reasonable accommodation"<br><br>
If a friend or family member is cooking for a group of people that are 95% omni's then I don't see why they should have to make something special for the one vegan. If its a place of business that has some vegan items in the kitchen, I think its reasonable to have them make something special for you- since the ingredients are there and their job is to cook food for money. It is a recent point of contention with me if a kitchen won't "reasonably accommodate" me, I will no longer give them my money. But I have no expectations that an inexperienced cook- like a friend or family member should have to make a separate meal or drastically alter their menu for just me.<br><br>
I think its all a gray area what everyone thinks is reasonable, this is just what I think.<br><br>
And as for the negativity in the comments section- its useless to read it- surrounding yourself with positivity and like mindedness is the best way to keep your chin up about the decision to be vegan. Its great that you have that support around you!!!
 

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Some of those comments were just a tad past rude and a step behind horrible. Most of them seem convinced that they can't share a meal with a vegan or vegetarian without being criticized the entire time and focused on that rather than on what the article was about: preparing a meal for someone <b>you invited to dinner in the first place</b>. If I invite someone over, then I become their host. It is my job to make them feel comfortable. If they go hungry because I'm too stuck up to cook something they can eat, then I have failed.<br><br>
This isn't to say that I would fix a cheese tray or a meat loaf if I had a non-veg*n over for dinner. They won't go hungry just by eating something different and I would compromise to the best of my ability by providing alternatives of their favorite foods. People need to remember that respect as a guest or as a host goes both ways. Yes, your host should make you feel welcome, but don't expect them to break their backs or morals to do it. There's no need for the dinner table to be a battleground. Be gracious, bring a dish, try something new, and enjoy the evening.
 

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<b>Rick</b> #1 08:44 am Sep 07 2011<br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">I just don't.<br>
They can bring their own or eat the vegetables. I don't indulge pointless 'isms' and I would make a point of cooking the rarest of steaks to eat with them.<br>
Usually my constant piss-taking ensures I need not suffer them twice at my table.</div>
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More like ---> <b>P</b>rick #1 <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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People who put animal products into every single thing they cook/bake/prepare are totally crazy. I'm 100% serious. I mean, really, they can't just make a green salad without adding cheese or chicken? Or how about a fruit salad with just, you know fruit (without yogurt or cottage cheese)? You can't just steam some veggies and put the sauce on the side? Have a baked potato bar and let people add their own toppings? No chance you could just not butter the bread? Maybe cook beans without the bone from a pig? Seriously, it's ridiculous.
 

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This hostility toward veg*nism still astonishes me. It shouldn't, but it does. If their guest had an allergy to something, would they not make accommodations? I understand that veg*nism is a choice and allergies are not, but when you invite someone to your home it becomes your responsibility to "host" them. I should add, I <i>do</i> get ill if I am fed something with meat concealed in it (a vindictive aunt proved this unintentionally), so for some of us it <i>can</i> be similar to an allergy.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>EarthWhispers</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2988128"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
[/I] get ill if I am fed something with meat concealed in it (a vindictive aunt proved this unintentionally.</div>
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Oh my God. That's horrible. Some guys I used to work with once brought me some toast pretending to be nice, when in fact they'd dripped bacon fat all over it. Wow, omnis can be mean.
 

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Yeah. My aunt took personal issue with my choice to become vegetarian. At that time we were frequent guests at her house for dinners. She had always had plenty of unintentional vegetarian side dishes until after I became veg... then suddenly mashed potatoes were made with chicken broth, veggies drizzled in bacon grease, salads had bacon added , and other things. I just politely refused it.<br><br>
I didn't fully suspect her issue with it all until she prepared a "vegetarian dish" just for me about a year after I became veg. My digestive system reacted so violently to the dish that I ended up in the ER with severe dehydration. She later admitted she had "seasoned" the dish with venison. I wasn't very familiar with the taste of venison and my aunt was sort of a bad cook, so I didn't suspect a thing.<br><br>
We never ate at her house again.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>lovingthegreen</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2988000"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Point being, reading comments on an online article - whether it's a blog or a newspaper article - oftentimes is not a good idea because it is not truly representative of people's opinions and oftentimes people just write things for shock value. Just focus on surrounding yourself with people who at least respect your eating habits and take what you read online in places like that with a grain of salt.</div>
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If you believe that comment sections were indicative of what people really thought and believed, there would be no point in continuing on in life after spending a few minutes on YouTube. As mentioned above, many comments are for shock value.<br><br>
I don't remember ever encountering any hostility - 95% of people that I mention it to ask about eggs, milk, onions, etc to gain a better understanding of what I do and do not eat.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>moonface88</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2988272"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Some guys I used to work with once brought me some toast pretending to be nice, when in fact they'd dripped bacon fat all over it. Wow, omnis can be mean.</div>
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Grrr. I would have returned the favour in some way if an omni had done that to me.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"><br>
(I can be quite mean if someone is deliberately nasty to me.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/blush.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":eek:"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">)
 

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People who put animal products into every single thing they cook/bake/prepare are totally crazy. I'm 100% serious. I mean, really, they can't just make a green salad without adding cheese or chicken? Or how about a fruit salad with just, you know fruit (without yogurt or cottage cheese)? You can't just steam some veggies and put the sauce on the side? Have a baked potato bar and let people add their own toppings? No chance you could just not butter the bread? Maybe cook beans without the bone from a pig? Seriously, it's ridiculous.</div>
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This ^. People really do go out of their way to literally put meat or animal products in some form on anything. I am not vegan, but I went to a bbq and the host knew I am veg and there literally was not one single thing without meat in it except chips and dip and cupcakes--I don't really eat either of those things b/c I am health conscious. It is maddening.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Nishani</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2988106"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><b>Rick</b> #1 08:44 am Sep 07 2011<br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">I just don't.<br>
They can bring their own or eat the vegetables. I don't indulge pointless 'isms' and I would make a point of cooking the rarest of steaks to eat with them.<br>
Usually my constant piss-taking ensures I need not suffer them twice at my table.</div>
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More like ---> <b>P</b>rick #1 <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"></div>
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Scroll down a bit, here is my favorite comeback:<br><br><b>sarah</b> #15 <span style="font-size:xx-small;"><span style="color:#666666;">09:13 am Sep 07 2011</span></span><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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One of the upsides of being vegan is that people like Rick #1 don't invite you to dinner.</div>
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P.S. <i>Never</i> read the comments!
 
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