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I really wasn't sure where to post this, so hopefully I made the right choice.<br><br>
For 3 months now I have followed a vegan diet, but diet is as far as it goes right now... meaning I still own leather and all of that.<br><br>
I'm curious what others do when going on runs, events, camping etc? Most events I've been around in the past were not veg friendly, so I'm trying to get some ideas what others do.<br><br>
Thanks in advance!
 

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Dude, if you are interested in ditching your leathers and other riding gear at some point, check out this link <a href="http://www.veganmotorcyclist.com/" target="_blank">veganmotorcyclist.com/</a> or this one <a href="http://www.bebenroth.com/vegan%20motorcyclist/gearguide.html" target="_blank">veganmotorcyclistgearguide</a> which is basically the same thing. My bf and I wear both wear Sidi boots and go with Aerostitch for our jackets, pants and gloves.
 

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Jillorna I was asking about both, but mainly food options since it can be limited at times.<br><br>
Nishani thank you for the links!
 

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bring your own food and show them how good vegan food can be. I know it's hard because bikers tend to be largely huge meat eaters for some reason, but good food is good food. The best way to represent veganism is by showing them you can still eat a good meal...might open their eyes a little. Maybe some veggie kabobs or a stir fry?
 

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My 4 month anniversary is coming in a couple of days <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">.<br><br>
After reading a ton (for me) on vegans and their lifestyle I still get confused of what I really am, since so many like to install labels.<br><br>
I still have all of my leather riding gear, jacket, chaps, vest, gloves and boots. Do I throw them out or just replace with vegan friendly alternatives when worn out?<br><br>
Where I work you have to wear metatarsal boots and they are all leather... I'm not sure what choice, if any, I have?<br><br>
Riding season is coming soon, so I'm still thinking about the eating while out for the day.<br><br>
Hope this list is ok. I didn't want to start another thread.<br><br>
Take care
 

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I forgot about my tats. My ink is not vegan. I doubt my artist would change his ink, but I guess it wouldn't hurt to ask.<br><br>
Anyway, I'm just trying to figure where I fit in. I just tell people I'm on a vegan diet...
 

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I'm not a biker, but I know a fair few vegan bikers. I thought it was awesome the first time I saw a massive guy covered in tattoos ask if the guest ale in a pub was vegan.<br><br>
For you biking gear, I personally would just replace it when it wears out, but it depends on what you want to do. I've been vegan for over a year and I still have some leather shoes and some toiletries which aren't vegan. I just wait until they're done with and replace them.<br><br>
I would ask your tattoo artist about the ink, and perhaps provide him with some brands of vegan ink he could look into. He may charge you a little extra for it, depending, but it's worth it.<br><br>
With the work boots, if there's absolutely no alternative sanctioned by your workplace, then I say that comes under the rule of 'cutting out animal products as far as possible and practical' - if you're not allowed to wear non-leather boots, then you'll have to wear them. Quitting your job isn't practical.<br><br>
Eating out for the day I can't really help you with unless you give me some ideas of what you would have eaten as an omni. Do you eat at restaurants, bring your own food, are you provided with meals? There's always something that can be done (even if that something is a little boring due to limited supplies).
 

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You can alway bring tortilla chips or potato chips or some kind of sweets and of course beer or pop. No need to tell everyone that you are vegan, right? Besides, if most of them are not veg friendly, what business is it of theirs anyway. It's all about having a good time and partying!
 

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I still have all of my leather riding gear, jacket, chaps, vest, gloves and boots. Do I throw them out or just replace with vegan friendly alternatives when worn out?<br></div>
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I'm not sure of your motivation for eating a vegan diet but if it's because you care about animal cruelty (rather than your health) I would advise you to get rid of all the leather you own as soon as you can because wearing animal skin at any time, regardless of when you bought it, is not in alignment with vegan ethics. You're bound to see a few people on the internet try to argue that it is ok to use leather items until they wear out but those people are suffering from a disconnect in their minds between the jacket or shoes they own and the animal it came from, which frankly, is odd behaviour for a vegan. Leather items can also take many years to wear out during which time those people would have basically been an unpaid model for the multi-billion dollar leather industry. Eek.<br><br>
Here's a few places where you can find some great steel cap boots.<br><a href="http://http//www.vegetarian-shoes.co.uk/hiking_boots_-_safety_boots/airseal_safety_boot_black/12455_p.html" target="_blank">http://http://www.vegetarian-shoes.c...k/12455_p.html</a><br><a href="http://http//store.veganessentials.com/airseal-steel-toe-para-boot-by-vegetarian-shoes---black-p2023.aspx" target="_blank">http://http://store.veganessentials....ack-p2023.aspx</a><br><a href="http://http//www.veganwares.com/boots.htm" target="_blank">http://http://www.veganwares.com/boots.htm</a>
 

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I'm not sure of your motivation for eating a vegan diet but if it's because you care about animal cruelty (rather than your health) I would advise you to get rid of all the leather you own as soon as you can because wearing animal skin at any time, regardless of when you bought it, is not in alignment with vegan ethics. You're bound to see a few people on the internet try to argue that it is ok to use leather items until they wear out but <b>those people are suffering from a disconnect in their minds between the jacket or shoes they own and the animal it came from</b>, which frankly, is odd behaviour for a vegan. Leather items can also take many years to wear out during which time those people would have basically been an unpaid model for the multi-billion dollar leather industry. Eek.</div>
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Or those people are relatively low on funds, and can't afford to replace a pair of shoes with leather uppers, a sofa, biking gear, work boots, and so on. There's a difference between continuing to use something you already own (which does nothing to support the industry), and continuing to buy leather/wool/silk/fur.
 

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Or those people are relatively low on funds, and can't afford to replace a pair of shoes with leather uppers, a sofa, biking gear, work boots, and so on. There's a difference between <b>continuing to use</b> something you already own (which does nothing to support the industry), and continuing to buy leather/wool/silk/fur.</div>
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Every day a person wears leather that they previously owned prior to veganism is another day spent modelling for cruelty. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thumbsdown.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":down:"><br><br>
There are so many fantastic and inexpensive non-leather options available now in clothing that there really is no legit excuse to wear leather as a vegan. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/cool3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":cool:"> If someone on a message board keeps claiming that they can't ever afford vegan shoes or bags, I'm sure that they probably can't afford vegan speciality food items, vegan make-up or household products either, so the chances of them actually living a vegan lifestyle in reality are probably very slim, so maybe they should just call themselves vegetarians until veganism in practice is more attainable for them. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Every day a person wears leather that they previously owned prior to veganism is another day spent modelling for cruelty. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thumbsdown.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":down:"></div>
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What about items that look leathery but aren't and vice versa? What if you walk around in an amazing vegan pair of shoes, and somebody goes out and buys some that look similar but contain leather? Unless you're some sort of celebrity, with various magazines documenting exactly what you are wearing and where to get it, 'modelling for cruelty' is a little dramatic.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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There are so many fantastic and inexpensive non-leather options available now in clothing that there really is no legit excuse to wear leather as a vegan. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/cool3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":cool:"> If someone on a message board keeps claiming that they can't ever afford vegan shoes or bags, I'm sure that they probably can't afford vegan speciality food items, vegan make-up or household products either, so the chances of them actually living a vegan lifestyle in reality are probably very slim, so maybe they should just call themselves vegetarians until veganism in practice is more attainable for them. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"></div>
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Again, we're not talking about buying any extra leather, but replacing things when they are worn out. Vegan eating can easily be cheaper (I'm sure many people on the board rarely eat expensive specialty items), make-up (if used) and household products in most places will run at about the same price (a lot of store own-brands are accidentally vegan, at least in the UK). "Can't ever afford" is different to "using it until needing to make a new purchase". When I made the decision to go vegan over a year ago, if I had thrown out everything non-vegan in my possession and replaced it there and then, I'd have run my bank balance through the floor (and there wasn't even a whole lot of stuff, it was just a tight budget). I really don't think that method of transition should be criticised and labelled 'un-vegan'.<br><br>
That being said, if a person can afford to give their life an instant vegan cleanse, then go for it <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> If the old goods aren't too worn, you can even donate them to charity/sell them on eBay/give them to friends, so that one more person avoids buying new leather and contributing to the industry further.
 

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You can alway bring tortilla chips or potato chips or some kind of sweets and of course beer or pop. No need to tell everyone that you are vegan, right? Besides, if most of them are not veg friendly, what business is it of theirs anyway. It's all about having a good time and partying!</div>
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Thanks, bonnbeth7!<br><br>
The whole "not sure where I fit in" I was referring to the veggie community. I could not care less what fellow bikers think of my diet (lifestyle).
 

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What about items that look leathery but aren't and vice versa? What if you walk around in an amazing vegan pair of shoes, and somebody goes out and buys some that look similar but contain leather? Unless you're some sort of celebrity, with various magazines documenting exactly what you are wearing and where to get it, 'modelling for cruelty' is a little dramatic.</div>
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If you were saying that you were walking around in an amazing pair of leather-look vegan shoes, or even coming close to indicating that you're working towards doing that very soon, I wouldn't have an issue with that (obviously), but you're not doing that. In this thread and many others all you've ever done is argue why you think it's ok for you to wear previously bought cow skin a whole year after you first went vegan and not once indicating that you are even the slightest bit bothered by it. Which is odd, for a vegan. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/undecided.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":-/"><br><br>
I would have far more respect for people like yourself if you said something like, "I'm still wearing an old pair of leather shoes but I feel a bit guilty about it and I'm trying to save up for a vegan pair that I've seen". Ya know? At least something that indicates you are on the way to stopping your leather wearing.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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Again, we're not talking about buying any extra leather, but replacing things when they are worn out.</div>
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I got what you were talking about the first 20 times you said it in previous threads, and my response is that <b>wearing leather until it is worn out is not vegan</b> and never will be because vegans aren't meant to be wearing animal products. That response isn't going to change.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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That being said, if a person can afford to give their life an instant vegan cleanse, then go for it <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> If the old goods aren't too worn, you can even donate them to charity/sell them on eBay/give them to friends, so that one more person avoids buying new leather and contributing to the industry further.</div>
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Despite the ridiculous crap you're trying to hang on me about expecting people to transition overnight, I don't expect that, never have, and nor do any other vegans. What many vegans do look for in other vegans however, is something that indicates that their psyche is not suffering from a disconnect between the leather item they wear and the animal it came from - on a parallel with meat eaters disconnecting from the meat on their plate. And I'm not seeing that from you.
 

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Thanks, Nishani! I understand where you are coming from and hope to replace all of my leather in the future. I'm still not sure about work boots, but will check into that.<br><br>
Thanks everyone!
 

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If you were saying that you were walking around in an amazing pair of leather-look vegan shoes, or even coming close to indicating that you're working towards doing that very soon, I wouldn't have an issue with that (obviously), but you're not doing that. In this thread and many others all you've ever done is argue why you think it's ok for you to wear previously bought cow skin a whole year after you first went vegan and not once indicating that you are even the slightest bit bothered by it. Which is odd, for a vegan. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/undecided.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":-/"><br><br>
I would have far more respect for people like yourself if you said something like, "I'm still wearing an old pair of leather shoes but I feel a bit guilty about it and I'm trying to save up for a vegan pair that I've seen". Ya know? At least something that indicates you are on the way to stopping your leather wearing.</div>
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Not sure where you've gotten than, there's no leather or other un-vegan items left in my life any more.<br><br>
And I do walk around in some amazing vegan shoes.
 

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For the record. I don't consider myself a vegan. I follow a vegan diet for now, but I hope to one day eliminate all animal products from my life.
 

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Not sure where you've gotten than, there's no leather or other un-vegan items left in my life any more.<br></div>
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I've been vegan for over a year and I still have some leather shoes and some toiletries which aren't vegan. I just wait until they're done with and replace them.<br></div>
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I suspected your ethics were a little disingenuous, and that embarrassing gaff above of yours has just sealed the deal for me. It really isn't nice to present yourself to other vegans on the internet like that. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 
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