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I have had trouble sleeping for about two years now, right after I became a vegetarian I think, and I just have trouble falling asleep. Countless times I have tossed and turned till finally falling asleep at 4 and 5 in the morning. I have went to my doctor but he just put me on antidepressants and #1 I'm not depressed #2 They didn't help anything.<br><br>
So what do you guys think? Insomnia or something else? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":confused:"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":confused:">
 

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I think you should come join the dark side... I've currently been enrolled in the "I'm exhausted but cannot sleep until the sun comes up" club for quite a few years now. I don't know why. I think I may be nocturnal, perhaps part bat or owl. I've always had trouble sleeping from time to time since I was little, but it's a daily encounter now.<br><br>
I can't give you any advice or reasons why, so I'm not sure why I'm actually responding. I feel like I've tried everything; wake up early and stay up all day so I'm super tired, not drinking caffeine, drinking caffeine only in the morning, going to bed at a reasonable time and not getting up, no tv or comp a few hours before bedtime, you name it. When I was in a particularly bad state of "I'm going to go texas chainsaw if I don't sleep," I'd take a sleeping pill but only occasionally so you don't rely on it.<br><br>
I have found that if I do an intense workout at night before bed, I can fall asleep earlier (say... 2am instead of 5am), but that's not an option right now. As I'm awake all night, that's generally when I eat as well and idk if that affects anything? I think it's pointless to shove food in earlier just because you shouldn't eat at night, personally I think the whole gaining weight eating at night thing is crap if you're awake all night and eat the same amount.<br><br>
I thought it was just anxiety or the endless thoughts keeping me from sleeping for the longest time, but sometimes I'm not the least bit anxious and really calm. I've recently just gave up on trying to sleep at a normal time, as it doesn't work and I'm currently able to sleep in to whenever. But not sleeping at night and waking up early every day as a full time (failing attempt at overachieving) student working about 40 hours at 2 exhausting part time jobs? Zohhmmygoshhh<br><br>
I shouldn't question your doctor as I'm not one myself, but if you're absolutely positive you're not depressed why are you putting a med into your body??
 

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I think you should come join the dark side... I've currently been enrolled in the "I'm exhausted but cannot sleep until the sun comes up" club for quite a few years now. I don't know why. I think I may be nocturnal, perhaps part bat or owl. I've always had trouble sleeping from time to time since I was little, but it's a daily encounter now.<br><br>
I can't give you any advice or reasons why, so I'm not sure why I'm actually responding. I feel like I've tried everything; wake up early and stay up all day so I'm super tired, not drinking caffeine, drinking caffeine only in the morning, going to bed at a reasonable time and not getting up, no tv or comp a few hours before bedtime, you name it. When I was in a particularly bad state of "I'm going to go texas chainsaw if I don't sleep," I'd take a sleeping pill but only occasionally so you don't rely on it.<br><br>
I have found that if I do an intense workout at night before bed, I can fall asleep earlier (say... 2am instead of 5am), but that's not an option right now. As I'm awake all night, that's generally when I eat as well and idk if that affects anything? I think it's pointless to shove food in earlier just because you shouldn't eat at night, personally I think the whole gaining weight eating at night thing is crap if you're awake all night and eat the same amount.<br><br>
I thought it was just anxiety or the endless thoughts keeping me from sleeping for the longest time, but sometimes I'm not the least bit anxious and really calm. I've recently just gave up on trying to sleep at a normal time, as it doesn't work and I'm currently able to sleep in to whenever. But not sleeping at night and waking up early every day as a full time (failing attempt at overachieving) student working about 40 hours at 2 exhausting part time jobs? Zohhmmygoshhh<br><br>
I shouldn't question your doctor as I'm not one myself, but if you're absolutely positive you're not depressed why are you putting a med into your body??</div>
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My doctor also said he didn't want to put me on any sleeping pills since I am only 18 and that the medicine he gave me should also help me calm down enough so that I would be able to fall asleep. I stopped taking them about a week after since they weren't doing anything.
 

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Well antidepressants take about a month in your system before you notice results, but again that's of depression. I'm not sure if the one you were on had an off label use for sleep.<br><br>
And at 18, that's pretty much normal. Stay up all night and sleep until midday...something about hormones I think I heard once but not sure. That sounds like everybody I knew when I was in high school haha!
 

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Veggie head, what other sleep hygiene methods have you used? If you do a search for sleep hygiene, you'll be able to read everything that is suggested for how to sleep better. No caffiene, after the afternoon hours, no watching TV in your bedroom, listening to caliming music, drinking chamomile tea, etc. Have you tried any of them? If you haven't, give them a try. If you already have, then I'm not sure what else to tell you. I know many people suffer from reversed circadean rhythms. Supposedly there are ways to reverse them back, but not sure.
 

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do you get this during the whole month or certain times of the month?<br><br>
anxiety does play a huge role also pms.<br><br>
cutting out all caffeine after 12:00.<br><br>
argh I still on and off struggle with insomnia. not nice at all.<br><br>
dont think anti-depressants are the answer my doctor also put me on anxiety pills which Zonked me out and I hated the feeling.
 

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Veggie head, what other sleep hygiene methods have you used? If you do a search for sleep hygiene, you'll be able to read everything that is suggested for how to sleep better. No caffiene, after the afternoon hours, no watching TV in your bedroom, listening to caliming music, drinking chamomile tea, etc. Have you tried any of them? If you haven't, give them a try. If you already have, then I'm not sure what else to tell you. I know many people suffer from reversed circadean rhythms. Supposedly there are ways to reverse them back, but not sure.</div>
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Definitely. Chamomile tea works wonders. Also, it is good to get into a "bedtime routine," such as reading or journalling, that will help you relax and help your mind know that soon it will be time to sleep. It's also recommended that an hour before bed you stop staring at computer screens or TV screens, because the brightness and flickering actually can harm your ability to sleep.
 

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My doctor also said he didn't want to put me on any sleeping pills since I am only 18 and that the medicine he gave me should also help me calm down enough so that I would be able to fall asleep. I stopped taking them about a week after since they weren't doing anything.</div>
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He didn't want to put you on sleeping pills since you are only eighteen, but he thought anti-deps were okey-dokey? That doc is a dickhead. Srsly.
 

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He didn't want to put you on sleeping pills since you are only eighteen, but he thought anti-deps were okey-dokey? That doc is a dickhead. Srsly.</div>
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That's really common here in the US. Kids 18 and under are frequently prescribed anti dep meds but aren't allowed certain other meds.
 

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Doctors can really be dumb sometimes - when I was booked into clinic for addiction / depression the doctor precribed sleeping tablets for me. HUH DUH clinic for addiction...<br><br>
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have you tried bathing in lavender oil. that really relaxes me.<br><br>
In my opinion anti-depressants have their place but lately Doctors just push it on everyone, i was suffering from very hectic PMS/suicidal moods and the doctor was take anti-depressants and xanor.<br><br>
Now, I have been on it before when I was taken up in hopsital for a severe break down and needed it but its not a cure cause it just numb the feelings. When you go off your so much more sensitive to everything around you. I dont think I would go on it every again.<br><br>
As for the not sleeping great I know how that feels - sometimes I try everything but that bloody "hamster in the wheel" just dont want to stop. Only thing then is half a sleeping tablet.<br><br>
Hope you find a solution.
 

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could be stress, anxiety... i've never been a good sleeper lol it either takes me forever to fall asleep or i wake up like 20 times in the night (that i know of lol).<br><br>
have you tried journalling all your thoughts before bed? sometimes i find that is the only way i can get to sleep, if i empty my thoughts on to paper so they aren't plaguing me anymore.
 

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Melatonin works wonders. I take 5mg a night and it knocks me out. It is OTC too. As for the anti-depressants, don't take them if you aren't depressed. They can mess with your brain chemistry and have potential long-term effects.
 

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Everybody gave a lot of great suggestions. I also hit a stage of insomnia in my early twenties... and my doctor wanted to put me on antidepressants "because it runs in your family." I didn't feel I was depressed and I certainly didn't want to be on meds, so I looked for alternatives. For me, the solution was a combination of journaling and meditation before bed. The fact that the journaling helps made me admit that there may have been an element of depression or anxiety in my insomnia that I was not originally aware of. If I'm feeling particularly wide-awake, I will drink tea or take a lavender bath before bed. I still follow this routine over ten years later and (until the baby came along with his own sleep issues) it has worked wonders.
 

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A shot of vodka should fix you up before bed.</div>
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I tried it before. Not too effective on me. Try to consult a pharmacist and asked for 5-HTP supplement. I've got this idea from Maxalife. hope this info helps you.. "5-HTP works because it is something that your body already has and something that your body needs to regulate mood, sleep patterns, reduce the effects of sleep deprivation, and other elements related to serotonin levels, such as serotonin syndrome symptoms."
 

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I have had trouble sleeping for about two years now, right after I became a vegetarian I think, and I just have trouble falling asleep. Countless times I have tossed and turned till finally falling asleep at 4 and 5 in the morning. I have went to my doctor but he just put me on antidepressants and #1 I'm not depressed #2 They didn't help anything.<br><br>
So what do you guys think? Insomnia or something else? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":confused:"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":confused:"></div>
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I have depression and have been on antidepressants before. No, they did not help with sleep at all. I have A LOT of trouble sleeping. Mine is I lie there tired but don't feel sleepy at all. My mom has trouble sleeping and has for almost 30 years. I find waking up early in the morning helps to make sure you are tired by bedtime. Also, avoid caffeine, alcohol, and nicotine at least an hour before bed. And don't eat a huge meal at night. Going to bed kinda bloated really can keep you up. I have tried valerian and melatonin and neither really worked. Melatonin worked for my mom and not at all for me. Valerian made me *a little* sleepy but not enough to be worth it, and it made me feel super out of it the next day. Benadryl works well, in fact hospitals give it to pt sometimes to help them sleep. Use it for about 3 days to help reset your sleep cycle.
 

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I know how you feel. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> I have insomnia, and I just can't get to sleep. I don't take medication for it, my mom says I've had it since I was little, but I've noticed it gets worse as I get older, so I have to figure out new ways to get to sleep.<br><br>
My advice is just find what works for you to help you get to sleep. Sometimes I need to have the lights on to get to sleep, sometimes I need the room pitch black. Often I cannot get to sleep without watching TV. I'll stay up all night. Just listening to the TV, putting on a show I don't really care much about or have seen millions of times before for some background noise is a huge key in me being able to fall asleep. Occasionally, though, I need it to get into that falling asleep state, and then right before I fall asleep I turn off the tv and the dvr box because the little blue light from the dvr box will annoy me all night if not. I know others have told you no tv in your bedroom, but for me, I need the TV to get to sleep. If I don't, I'll stay up for days when I can't stand to be in a quiet room.<br><br>
I also have about five pillows on my bed at a time, because I usually can't go to sleep laying flat or on just one pillow, I have to be propped up. I also have different textures, thickness, material of pillows. Three are pillow pets and have that stuffed animal fur, and every few days I stick them in the dryer on gentle and they puff up. I have a normal pillow, which I usually leave flat or semi-flat, but sometimes if I can't get to sleep I put it on gentle to puff it up, too, when I want all my pillows puffy. I have another smaller pillow that is kind of like a plush pillow, it's a stitch one with Stitch holding a frog, and the frog and stitches ears pop out of the pillow so that one's textured for when I need something like that to go to sleep. Occasionally, though, I do just feel like falling asleep on a completely flat mattress with no pillows.<br><br>
Try different blankets and sheets and different arrangements for them. I have a lot of different materials, textures, and thickness of blankets and sheets. Sometimes, even if it's really hot, I need a blanket or sheet on me so it's helpful to have very thin sheets. Usually in the winter, I like to feel very stuffy in blankets, so I get a lot of soft, fluffy blankets and tuck them under me so they're kind of wrapped around me and I feel really snug and wrapped. I'm also sensitive to temperatures. I have a tower heater and a small room, so sometimes in the winter I'll turn it up to the highest setting and get the room up to almost 90 degrees, especially if I don't want to wear a blanket. When I want it to be cold I'll open the window and/or use a fan (it depends with the fan, sometimes the noise is soothing, sometimes it's annoying).<br><br>
Lighting is also a good thing to experiment with. Sometimes lights give me a migraine, and other times I need a light on. I have a luxo light in my room but right now it has one of those energy bulbs that it came with, and those are so bright I get a migraine quickly so I rarely turn it on, but when I want a light on besides a tv or something like that I have a nightlight across the room that has an orange-y light that's really peaceful. I also got a set of 6 nightlights that change colors. They're round and have a dark detector so they only go off at night, and the light goes onto the wall. All mine ran out of power because I got them a few years ago, but those were great for me when I wanted light, too. Sometimes fixing your sight on something can make you tired, too. I'll stare at a lithograph or sometimes I borrow one of my brother's nightlights that project stars or something like that on the ceiling and that can make it easier for me to fall asleep than just closing my eyes.<br><br>
Just figure out what works for you and makes you the most comfortable. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> It can take some work and be annoying to figure out each night what you need to be able to get to sleep the fastest and easiest, but after a while it'll get easier to figure it out and realize what you need to be comfortable.
 
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