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Great. Just what cycling needs... more doping. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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It really sucks and I am a little surprised. Watched it on ESPN. I was so cheering for him. He grew up Amish and his dream was cycling when he was so little. (of course) I guess he has to take another urine sample still. Who knows. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/undecided.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":-/">
 

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I got a followup report on this from Mr. Tess, and it turns out apparently Landis did <span style="text-decoration:underline;">not</span> have an elevated level of testosterone. He had a LOW level of whatever it is in the blood they compare testosterone to in order to measure it. So it looks like maybe no doping after all.
 

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I got a followup report on this from Mr. Tess, and it turns out apparently Landis did <span style="text-decoration:underline;">not</span> have an elevated level of testosterone. He had a LOW level of whatever it is in the blood they compare testosterone to in order to measure it. So it looks like maybe no doping after all.</div>
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actually that hasn't been established yet, but it is a possibility that his testosterone levels were normal and is epitestosterone was low, and therefore the ratio is off.
 

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Is this some kind of surprise to people or something?<br><br><br><br>
There is not one single sportsman who is at the "top" of the league who is not doped.<br><br><br><br>
And that includes all sports, not only cycling.<br><br><br><br>
Sport = big money = corruption and doping and win at all costs.<br><br><br><br>
Today, all top league sports SUCK.
 

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Is this some kind of surprise to people or something?<br><br><br><br>
There is not one single sportsman who is at the "top" of the league who is not doped.<br><br><br><br>
And that includes all sports, not only cycling.<br><br><br><br>
Sport = big money = corruption and doping and win at all costs.<br><br><br><br>
Today, all top league sports SUCK.</div>
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Diana, that is a very negative generalization. Did you forget to take your happy pills today?
 

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I have to admit, I'm with inie. I hope that he comes out with a clean bill, btu I'm doubtful. It seems from some reports, that even his own team just assumed he was guilty.<br><br><br><br>
*sigh*<br><br><br><br>
Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio?
 

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I think the title of the thread goes overboard, since these are just unproven allegations at this point.
 

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I do worry that this could simply be the future of sport. Maybe we shoud stop calling it "sport" because there is no sportsmanship in simply finding the most effective, least detectable enhancer. Presumably, there are still a lot of athletes out there who want to prove they THEY are the best, and not the drug they're taking, but if they can never win because the ones who are doping always beat them, they will be a dying breed. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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sports aren't really fair anyway.<br><br><br><br>
the athletes with the richest sponsors are always going to have advantages, like swimsuits that mimic sharkskin, teams of Drs, trainers and nutritionists, faster, technologically advanced bikes, skates, rackets etc.<br><br><br><br>
all those things give a rich athlete an edge. why is doping any different? part of me says to lift doping bans and see who can get the best drugs. It might actually make it more fair.
 

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sports aren't really fair anyway.<br><br><br><br>
the athletes with the richest sponsors are always going to have advantages, like swimsuits that mimic sharkskin, teams of Drs, trainers and nutritionists, faster, technologically advanced bikes, skates, rackets etc.<br><br><br><br>
all those things give a rich athlete an edge. why is doping any different? part of me says to lift doping bans and see who can get the best drugs. It might actually make it more fair.</div>
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I was thinking more of going the opposite direction and removing all financial incentives.
 

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I was thinking more of going the opposite direction and removing all financial incentives.</div>
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there would be no athletes then, and no sporting events, because they'd be to boring to watch. how many top athletes are either independantly wealthy or go on to have stellar careers after they retire?<br><br><br><br>
it costs money to train, and buy equipment. top athletes train 4-6 hours a day at times, I can't see that is possible with a full time job.
 

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there would be no athletes then, and no sporting events, because they'd be to boring to watch. how many top athletes are either independantly wealthy or go on to have stellar careers after they retire?<br><br><br><br>
it costs money to train, and buy equipment. top athletes train 4-6 hours a day at times, I can't see that is possible with a full time job.</div>
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I think all it means, is they would have to get funding that was not in exchange for marketing contracts, the way Olympic athletes have for many decades. Or from their governments, which is the case in much of the world. There would probably be many fewer people inolved in sport, but the ones left would be the ones who are truly about sportsmanship.
 

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Except for the fact that it is currently against the rules, I don't see the problem with using enhancers. It is just another way to become the most fit for the sport.<br><br><br><br>
There are lots of factors that make an athlete great. One of the largest contributing factors is luck. Luck through genetics. Athletes don't pick their genetics their have them by luck.<br><br><br><br>
What makes relying on luck any more "pure" (or however you want to describe it, sportsman like, ethical, fair, etc) than relying on enhancements such as doping? It is just another way to be the best.
 

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I recomend reading "The Yellow Jersey" by Ralph Hurne. It will educate those of you that dont understand the politics of pro bike racing. To indite the riders and not the sponsors and owners is very shallow. The pressure to cheat comes from the top.
 

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I recomend reading "The Yellow Jersey" by Ralph Hurne. It will educate those of you that dont understand the politics of pro bike racing. To indite the riders and not the sponsors and owners is very shallow. The pressure to cheat comes from the top.</div>
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it's totally true. there's a lot of money to be made... buying off a doctor to slip something to a athlete happens more than we imagine I bet.
 

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If doping would be allowed, every sportsman who wants to have a winning chance would be almost forced to use it. And the stuff is bad for your health, so I don't htink that's a good solution to anything. Best they can do is routinely check everyone, so pretty much what they are allready doing.<br><br>
What I'm afraid of, is that the fact that people still are using doping even with the testing, means that the change of getting caught isn't that big, which would mean that the use of doping is actually more wide spread then we know. That would be a shame.
 
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