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I know this product has been stated to be vegetarian and even vegan. My only concern is the warning that the product has been made in a facility that processes eggs, fish and shrimp. I guess it comes down to a personal thing, but I always feel this means: "Hey we use machinery that processes animal products and the same machines also process our noodles so theres problem some residues of animal material in our noodles".<br><br>
What do you guys think about this? I really want to eat Ramen as I am a student but I have difficulty with this statement given Im a fairly strict Lacto-vegetarian.<br><br>
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I believe the consensus on this is: don't worry about it. There is no intention on the company's part of putting fish or eggs in the food. They just list it for people who have allergies and to avoid any conceivable legal problems.
 

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I would assume that the machines are just next to each other. If they use the same machine for both they probably clean it enough, they just don't sanitize to the level required to completely remove any trace of potential allergens.
 

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Totally up to you. I eat them. I'm not worried about the slight chance that some little tiny allergen may have gotten into my food. It's really to cover their own asses in the unlikely event something happens and someone gets sick.<br>
A lot of processed food as the same warning label.
 

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Well I guess if it was just in the same facility but different machines I would be fine with that. I suppose washing the machine before they used it for the ramen would also be ok. The problem I have is if there is obvious cross-contamination (like the fish/shrimp is processed in the same area as the noodles without washing).<br><br>
I suppose I would have to ask Nissin about that.
 

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Do you always check for shellac, or beeswax, on fruits and vegetables? ]<br>
Do you only eat whole, unprocessed foods?<br>
How many certified vegan facilities do you know of, and are you willing to stay loyal, at all costs?<br>
Do you ever eat out?<br><br>
The point is, that warning is a disclaimer for those with allergies, who could truly be affected. I see no reason to avoid all those products.<br>
I'm vegan because I see no reasons for animals to be exploited for food, clothes, research, nor entertainment. I'd rather see companies market to vegans, and help mainstream the movement than avoid them because they're not 100% perfect.<br>
I'd rather worry about animal testing.<br><br>
BTW, Top Ramen oriental flavor (and green chili) are vegan, and I always have them stocked!
 

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Do you always check for shellac, or beeswax, on fruits and vegetables? ]<br>
Do you only eat whole, unprocessed foods?<br>
How many certified vegan facilities do you know of, and are you willing to stay loyal, at all costs?<br>
Do you ever eat out?<br><br>
The point is, that warning is a disclaimer for those with allergies, who could truly be affected. I see no reason to avoid all those products.<br>
I'm vegan because I see no reasons for animals to be exploited for food, clothes, research, nor entertainment. I'd rather see companies market to vegans, and help mainstream the movement than avoid them because they're not 100% perfect.<br>
I'd rather worry about animal testing.<br><br>
BTW, Top Ramen oriental flavor (and green chili) are vegan, and I always have them stocked!</div>
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My diet is because of religious reasons and so I cannot try to use a PETA approach to things and support companies that almost make foods vegetarian. I need whatever I eat to be as vegetarian as possible. Will there be instances when I don't get things exactly right or miss something, of course, but I have to at least make a conscious effort to abstain completely from animal products (except for dairy which I eat).
 

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Even items that are not made in facilities that use animal products are still allowed to contain certain amounts of unavoidable additions, such as insect parts. Ketchup, fruit cocktail, canned soup, everything. With fresh produce, you will also inevitably consume an occasional worm or fruit fly. So again, it's all about intent. It is absolutely impossible to avoid ingesting some amount of animal parts.
 

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To me, it's like eating food prepared in the same kitchen omnis use. I don't have my own plates, glasses and silverware just because my husband eats meat. I let the dishwasher do its job and leave it at that.
 

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Even items that are not made in facilities that use animal products are still allowed to contain certain amounts of unavoidable additions, such as insect parts. Ketchup, fruit cocktail, canned soup, everything. With fresh produce, you will also inevitably consume an occasional worm or fruit fly. So again, it's all about intent. It is absolutely impossible to avoid ingesting some amount of animal parts.</div>
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Although this is a good point, insects are not animals. Although I don't eat insects, its not as big of an infraction to accidentally consume insects as it is animals.
 

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Although this is a good point, insects are not animals. Although I don't eat insects, its not as big of an infraction to accidentally consume insects as it is animals.</div>
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So insects are plants?
 

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So insects are plants?</div>
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Sorry I was wrong. They are kingdom animalia so they are Animals but they are lower sensed life than traditional mammals or fish in my religion. Killing as little as possible and lower sensed life is not as bad as higher sensed organisms. The killing of a bee is still bad but not as bad as a cow or chicken in my religion. Also when I say lower sensed organisms its kind of a term used in my religion that I will need to clarify because insects do have 5 senses.
 

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Although this is a good point, insects are not animals. Although I don't eat insects, its not as big of an infraction to accidentally consume insects as it is animals.</div>
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insects are animals. you learn that in basic biology
 

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insects are animals. you learn that in basic biology</div>
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I corrected myself. Its been a long time since Bio for me. My mistake.
 

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Sorry I was wrong. They are kingdom animalia so they are Animals....</div>
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We all make errors. Kudos to you for admitting it so quickly and freely.<br><br>
With respect to your worries about purity... It's a personal call where you feel comfortable drawing the line. I would suggest that the infinitesimal cross contamination is not worth worrying about, particularly if you aren't worrying about dairy products (and even more so if those dairy products contain rennet). Also, consistency would demand that you worry about cross contamination in kitchens that omni's use and in other similar situations. If that's where you feel comfortable drawing the line that's fine. I don't think anyone here would want to bash you for wanting to go further than necessary, feeling squeamish about certain things, etc... Just understand that the world is a messy place and some miniscule level of cross contamination is unavoidable. For example, it's been said that as a matter of probability, every time you drink a glass of water you'll ingest at least one molecule of water that passed through the bladder of Oliver Cromwell -- Gross, sure, but I'm not going to give up drinking water because of it. In any case, I'd hate to have you set an unattainable standard for yourself and end up giving up out of frustration.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">but they are lower sensed life than traditional mammals or fish in my religion. Killing as little as possible and lower sensed life is not as bad as higher sensed organisms. The killing of a bee is still bad but not as bad as a cow or chicken in my religion. Also when I say lower sensed organisms its kind of a term used in my religion that I will need to clarify because insects do have 5 senses.</div>
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<br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/popcorn.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Popcorn">
 

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We all make errors. Kudos to you for admitting it so quickly and freely.<br><br>
With respect to your worries about purity... It's a personal call where you feel comfortable drawing the line. I would suggest that the infinitesimal cross contamination is not worth worrying about, particularly if you aren't worrying about dairy products (and even more so if those dairy products contain rennet). Also, consistency would demand that you worry about cross contamination in kitchens that omni's use and in other similar situations. If that's where you feel comfortable drawing the line that's fine. I don't think anyone here would want to bash you for wanting to go further than necessary, feeling squeamish about certain things, etc... Just understand that the world is a messy place and some miniscule level of cross contamination is unavoidable. For example, it's been said that as a matter of probability, every time you drink a glass of water you'll ingest at least one molecule of water that passed through the bladder of Oliver Cromwell -- Gross, sure, but I'm not going to give up drinking water because of it. In any case, I'd hate to have you set an unattainable standard for yourself and end up giving up out of frustration.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/popcorn.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Popcorn"></div>
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Thanks for excusing my large error. Its quite embarrassing for myself.<br><br>
I definitely don't eat Rennet in any of the dairy I eat and I always ask the manufacturer about enzyme sources for any cheese or enzymes in their products. Same goes for Whey.<br><br>
I understand your point overall and I agree that cross-contamination is hard to totally avoid. I just want to know what the level of cross contamination is for these noodles. If its something akin to what I mentioned above (different machines or machines they wash then I think it would be ok for me).<br><br>
I don't see the purpose for the popcorn in describing my religion.
 

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<div class="quote-block">I understand your point overall and I agree that cross-contamination is hard to totally avoid. I just want to know what the level of cross contamination is for these noodles. If its something akin to what I mentioned above (different machines or machines they wash then I think it would be ok for me).</div>
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My guess is that the level of cross contamination is quite low - probably just different machines in the same building, as you said. However, if you're still concerned you could send the company an email asking them. If you don't like the answer you could always buy some noodles and vegetable bouillon (eg - bouillon cubes or 'better than bouillon' vegetable flavor). Or, if the noodles are fine but you're worried about the seasonings you could buy the noodles, since they're dirt cheap, and make your own broth.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">I don't see the purpose for the popcorn in describing my religion.</div>
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Sorry about the confusion. It's not a comment on your religion. Your statement about the relative value of different animals is rather controversial on this board. The popcorn is sort of a shorthand way of saying "Oh, that could be opening a can of worms so I'll just let it go, wait to see if the thread devolves into a giant off-topic argument, and (if it does) sit back and watch the show."
 
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