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http://linkis.com/Tfsfg


'The Australian Government plans to kill over 2 million cats, with a $3.6m fund established to wipe colony cats off the face of the earth.

This high risk initiative includes a website designed to dob in colony cats and a number of cat eradication programs including baiting, shooting, dogs, traps and nearly every method of killing known.'


If you object to this please consider contacting your local Australian embassy or consulate or, if you're Australian, your local authorities.


There are also many online petitions. I don't know how much good they do but they must be better than nothing so here are some I've found:



https://www.change.org/p/avustralya-kedi-soykırımını-durdur-australia-stop-cat-genocide-greghuntmp


http://www.thepetitionsite.com/en-gb/118/111/539/australia-dont-kill-2-million-cats-/


http://www.thepetitionsite.com/en-g...-successful-cat-management-in-australia/#sign


https://www.change.org/p/hon-greg-hunt-mp-don-t-let-australia-murder-its-cats/u/10896713


https://www.change.org/p/hon-greg-hunt-mp-don-t-let-australia-murder-its-cats/u/11445708


https://www.change.org/p/australian...s-and-implement-alternative-ethical-solutions


https://www.change.org/p/pour-que-p...rotégées-feeeb998-1794-4587-9370-c4ab8ecf8f85


https://www.change.org/p/greg-hunt-...-gatos-callejeros-por-supuesto-daño-ecológico


https://www.change.org/p/rspca-stop-betraying-animals


https://www.change.org/p/the-honour...-los-gatos-vagabundos-que-pretende-declarar-p


https://www.change.org/p/tony-abbot-australian-goverment-stop-the-planned-killing-of-2-million-cats


https://www.change.org/p/minister-f...ship-in-order-to-reduce-feral-cat-populations


http://www.thepetitionsite.com/en-g...-cats-in-australia/?taf_id=14128615&cid=fb_na


https://www.change.org/p/australian...utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink


http://www.thepetitionsite.com/en-g...ons-of-ferral-cats/?taf_id=14109043&cid=fb_na


https://www.change.org/p/the-govern...ation-tnr-and-administration-of-birth-control


http://forcechange.com/145469/dont-murder-feral-cats/


http://www.thepetitionsite.com/en-gb/202/163/027/help-stop-the-australian-war-on-cats/


Please believe me that this isn't anti-Australian in intention. The country itself isn't the target, just the campaign.

Thank you!
 

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Keep in mind that feral cats are an invasive species no doubt damaging local ecosystems and harming local wildlife populations. People protesting killing them need to have a plan about what to do with them BESIDES killing them. They wouldn't be doing large scale, expensive, complex eradication programs if the cats weren't bothering anything or were a minor nuisance. Might get you a bit farther and help convince authorities to implement an alternative, less-cruel plan of action rather than to just allow the cats to keep doing harm.
 

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Keep in mind that feral cats are an invasive species no doubt damaging local ecosystems and harming local wildlife populations. People protesting killing them need to have a plan about what to do with them BESIDES killing them. They wouldn't be doing large scale, expensive, complex eradication programs if the cats weren't bothering anything or were a minor nuisance. Might get you a bit farther and help convince authorities to implement an alternative, less-cruel plan of action rather than to just allow the cats to keep doing harm.
Spay/neuter does work.

Your argument is used by humans every time they create a problem - simply kill the problem we have created.

It's sad to see veg*ns buying into that "solution."
 

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Spay/neuter does work.

Your argument is used by humans every time they create a problem - simply kill the problem we have created.

It's sad to see veg*ns buying into that "solution."
I never said that killing them was a preferred or even the best solution, I said a better, less cruel solution was needed. The reality is you aren't going to get very far if you campaign to just leave them to attack and kill wildlife/disrupt the local ecosystem.

I also don't agree spay/neuter is the most effective solution either. It's too big of a problem and the cost to trap and fix them all would be exorbitant. All it takes is a small number of animals to evade capture and you have enough to "repopulate". Not to mention an additional 10-12 years of ecological damage before big numbers begin dying of natural causes. Cats are in no danger of going extinct, but many of Australia's native species are, sadly due to non-native species (not just cats) brought in by humans. I don't know what a better solution would be, and I do hope a less cruel method is found, but what is to be done about the wildlife that is being killed or their habitat being disrupted by all these cats? Are the venerable and endangered native species suppose to be less important according to the vegan agenda?
 

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I don't know how legitimate this is, but former PETA co-director Alex Pacheco has an organization to research / fund a one-dose oral contraceptive for stray dogs. I am skeptical, of course, but this would be a very humane way to prevent stray dog overpopulation: http://www.dogster.com/lifestyle/spay-food-dog-birth-control-600-million-stray-dogs .

I would worry about such a drug falling into the wrong hands. You wouldn't want it to be fed to wild animals, for instance, nor to humans (without their consent).

Although this is a very different situation, the rate of dog and cat euthanization in Los Angeles has plummeted over the last 40 years. In 1971, Los Angeles euthanized about 111,000 dogs and cats. In 2008-2009, this figure had dropped 15,200. Still too many, but what a difference! http://www.dailynews.com/general-ne...-dogs-plummets-at-los-angeles-animal-shelters

Equal time: Criticism of L.A. County animal shelters: http://www.laweekly.com/news/bad-dogs-die-in-las-pound-2612213
 
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I never said that killing them was a preferred or even the best solution, I said a better, less cruel solution was needed. The reality is you aren't going to get very far if you campaign to just leave them to attack and kill wildlife/disrupt the local ecosystem.

I also don't agree spay/neuter is the most effective solution either. It's too big of a problem and the cost to trap and fix them all would be exorbitant. All it takes is a small number of animals to evade capture and you have enough to "repopulate". Not to mention an additional 10-12 years of ecological damage before big numbers begin dying of natural causes. Cats are in no danger of going extinct, but many of Australia's native species are, sadly due to non-native species (not just cats) brought in by humans. I don't know what a better solution would be, and I do hope a less cruel method is found, but what is to be done about the wildlife that is being killed or their habitat being disrupted by all these cats? Are the venerable and endangered native species suppose to be less important according to the vegan agenda?
The biggest threat to any threatened native species is always the one species which has historically had the highest success rate as an invasive species, and yet no one ever suggests "culling" that species. That species is of course humans.
 

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I don't know how legitimate this is, but former PETA co-director Alex Pacheco has an organization to research / fund a one-dose oral contraceptive for stray dogs. I am skeptical, of course, but this would be a very humane way to prevent stray dog overpopulation: http://www.dogster.com/lifestyle/spay-food-dog-birth-control-600-million-stray-dogs .

I would worry about such a drug falling into the wrong hands. You wouldn't want it to be fed to wild animals, for instance, nor to humans (without their consent).
I can think of a whooooole lot of people I'd like to see get it-with or without their consent, or knowledge. To be honest...
 

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I never said that killing them was a preferred or even the best solution, I said a better, less cruel solution was needed. The reality is you aren't going to get very far if you campaign to just leave them to attack and kill wildlife/disrupt the local ecosystem.

I also don't agree spay/neuter is the most effective solution either. It's too big of a problem and the cost to trap and fix them all would be exorbitant. All it takes is a small number of animals to evade capture and you have enough to "repopulate". Not to mention an additional 10-12 years of ecological damage before big numbers begin dying of natural causes. Cats are in no danger of going extinct, but many of Australia's native species are, sadly due to non-native species (not just cats) brought in by humans. I don't know what a better solution would be, and I do hope a less cruel method is found, but what is to be done about the wildlife that is being killed or their habitat being disrupted by all these cats? Are the venerable and endangered native species suppose to be less important according to the vegan agenda?
Trap spay and neuter does work. It isn't going to stop all feral strays, but over time, the populations will plummet. Too bad if it costs money (more than the $3.6 million they are budgeting for the annihilation?), people created the problem and must fix it. Slaughtering innocent cats is a disgusting "solution".

I hate the term "invasive species". Humans brought them there, we are the cause. We are the invaders and must find humane ways to help the environment. Cats are just as venerable as any other creature.
 

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and yet no one ever suggests "culling" that species. That species is of course humans.
Speak for yourself! I'd suggest we start with pedophiles, rapists, serial killers and child abusers/killers personally.

And again, I never said anywhere that killing cats was a good solution (where did I say that???). I simply said there needs to be MORE focus on saving endangered/threatened species than the cats (which I believe) and that if no alternative solutions are brought forward, the powers that be aren't going to listen. The first priority with limited financial resources needs to be unique species that play an important role in local ecosystems.

An "alternative" solution could be trapping venerable native species that cats eat/kill in high enough numbers to preserve the species and putting them in wildlife sanctuaries with captive breeding programs geared towards eventual release to the wild or carefully maintained reserves that keep invasive predators out. THEN deal with getting cat populations down once you've taken the venerable species out of the equation. Perhaps vegan and animal welfare groups could raise the money to fund the spay/neutering programs of the feral cats. You don't need to kill the cats, but just spaying/neutering them and leaving them to continue to kill venerable species as they die off naturally isn't a good solution either.
 

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Neutered cats are still predating local species. It really is not a solution unless we also park them all. But then we still need to feed them until the population decreases and those animals eat meat.

Kiwi doesn't say killing them is the best solution. I do. It is not a good solution but I can't think of a better one. Though I wouldn't kill them myself because I don't have the guts.
Well, the millions of cats did not appear there overnight, so no one can expect an immediate solution. Trap, spay, neuter, release will decrease the cat population gradually. Slaughtering them all is a revolting idea.

In England years ago when the cats were killed, the rats multiplied and spread the Plague. We humans do not have all the answers....
 

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Well, the millions of cats did not appear there overnight, so no one can expect an immediate solution. Trap, spay, neuter, release will decrease the cat population gradually. Slaughtering them all is a revolting idea.

In England years ago when the cats were killed, the rats multiplied and spread the Plague. We humans do not have all the answers....
I know I've said all this before, but again the "trap, neuter, release" option is not a viable one for our situation, it can't be implemented and it would never work. I explained it all in the other thread, but if you want me to go into detail of why again then I can here as well.
 

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I know I've said all this before, but again the "trap, neuter, release" option is not a viable one for our situation, it can't be implemented and it would never work. I explained it all in the other thread, but if you want me to go into detail of why again then I can here as well.
Ok. I get that it isn't as fast a "solution" as the "final solution" of killing millions of sentient animals in cruel and painful ways.

But these days did not spontaneously appear. The problem took years for humans to cause, and it and will take years to fix.
 

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Ok. I get that it isn't as fast a "solution" as the "final solution" of killing millions of sentient animals in cruel and painful ways.

But these days did not spontaneously appear. The problem took years for humans to cause, and it and will take years to fix.

Godwin point: reached !
 

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Ok. I get that it isn't as fast a "solution" as the "final solution" of killing millions of sentient animals in cruel and painful ways.

But these days did not spontaneously appear. The problem took years for humans to cause, and it and will take years to fix.
Yes but your solution will equal the full destruction of dozens of native animal species, to complete extinction and they will NEVER be seen again, all for the sake of cats who are in no way a threatened species and can be found on almost every country on Earth. It's a hard choice I know, but if I have to choose between keeping more cats alive in this country, or you know, not letting dozens more species of animals completely disappear forever then I know what I'm going to choose.

This is a very hard thing to explain to people who don't know a lot about environmental conservation and invasive species, sometimes you have to think with your head over your heart, it sucks but if we don't do the hard thing disaster can occur from our choices, and as you pointed out, it already has. Now we have to fix our mistakes before it gets to the stage that we can't fix it (that would be complete extinction).

Also, the solutions our Government are talking about would take years to implement, the solution you are talking about would take decades.
 

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Yes but your solution will equal the full destruction of dozens of native animal species, to complete extinction and they will NEVER be seen again, all for the sake of cats who are in no way a threatened species and can be found on almost every country on Earth. It's a hard choice I know, but if I have to choose between keeping more cats alive in this country, or you know, not letting dozens more species of animals completely disappear forever then I know what I'm going to choose.

This is a very hard thing to explain to people who don't know a lot about environmental conservation and invasive species, sometimes you have to think with your head over your heart, it sucks but if we don't do the hard thing disaster can occur from our choices, and as you pointed out, it already has. Now we have to fix our mistakes before it gets to the stage that we can't fix it (that would be complete extinction).

Also, the solutions our Government are talking about would take years to implement, the solution you are talking about would take decades.
I'm quite aware about environmental conservation and the killing of invasive species. I live in Florida, where we have a great climate that supports many invasive species. I do not agree with killing some animals so that others can live. It is the fault of humans that the species have been introduced. Kill the cats and other bad stuff will happen, I guarantee it. You'll be culling some invasive species that the cats used to eat.
 
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