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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>ElaineV</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2907221"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Always, always, always tip well.</div>
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I do not know of any specific etiquette for this situation.<br>
I'm willing to bet that the few people really believed it was 'covered' by a company or something...as just about all business type things I go to are.<br><br>
If I were in your shoes, it would really depend on the type of restaurant, and my personal relationship with the restaurant, and my relationship with the other people who left. There is so much grey area, like the woman who paid for her friend. I would pay for my friend. There are a few places where I would pay no matter what, to stay in good graces with the place, and then deal with the people later. I could even see myself refusing to pay for anyone else, and offering to provide the personal information of those who technically did just commit a crime by leaving without paying their bills, even if it is the restaurant's fault for not keeping proper tabs.<br><br>
I think that there really are no wrong answers. After all, you really are only obligated to pay for your own tab.<br><br>
...unless maybe you're a host, and booked a special private dining hall or something, and now must settle up with the establishment.
 

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i would bring it up next time that it would be appreciated if everyone paid their bill before leaving.<br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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if the service wasn't horrible, sure.
 

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i would bring it up next time that it would be appreciated if everyone paid their bill before leaving.<br><br><br>
if the service wasn't horrible, sure.</div>
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I want to say, "you're walking on thin ice", with a statement like that.<br><br>
Maybe it's because I worked in the industry, but I tip even crap service, at least 15%. Anything above crap gets over 20% tip. The reason I say this, is because I was always tipped VERY well. I don't know if my smile and service was that awesome, or if people are that nice. I always got good enough tips to make my minimum hourly wage surpass even some of my friends with really, really good wages.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>KrisMTL</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2907394"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I want to say, "you're walking on thin ice", with a statement like that.<br><br>
Maybe it's because I worked in the industry, but I tip even crap service, at least 15%. Anything above crap gets over 20% tip.</div>
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I think it's terrible to reinforce crappy service with a good tip. Leaving a tip is optional, and should be based on the experience, the service itself, reflecting a gesture of appreciation for good service.
 

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I want to say, "you're walking on thin ice", with a statement like that.<br><br>
Maybe it's because I worked in the industry, but I tip even crap service, at least 15%. Anything above crap gets over 20% tip. The reason I say this, is because I was always tipped VERY well. I don't know if my smile and service was that awesome, or if people are that nice. I always got good enough tips to make my minimum hourly wage surpass even some of my friends with really, really good wages.</div>
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so when your waitress leaves her shift in the middle of your dinner, before you've had the chance to order everything you wanted to order and <b>she says nothing to you</b> and tells no other staff to check on you, what would you tip her after waiting 20 minutes for her to come back? you'll giver her 15%?
 

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The IRS assumes that food servers receive tips and they tax on that assumption. Its normal income and its not truly optional.<br><br>
You can leave a smaller tip if you're really upset about the service, but I guarentee you that being stingy never taught anyone a lesson. If you're unhappy about your service, tell your server specifically or a manager, but continue to leave a minimum tip.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>zirpkatze</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2907594"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
so when your waitress leaves her shift in the middle of your dinner, before you've had the chance to order everything you wanted to order and <b>she says nothing to you</b> and tells no other staff to check on you, what would you tip her after waiting 20 minutes for her to come back? you'll giver her 15%?</div>
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I had that happen once. The waitress brought us our drinks and then said she'd be back to take our order, and she never came back. So like a hour later we found another waitress and we were like um..... Turns out she had left sick and the other waitresses though the other was taking care of us (silly because there was only two other waitresses) and the manager came and apologized and we got our drinks for free. Through I don't remember if or what we tipped.
 

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That's not entirely accurate about being taxed on assumed tips. Most States, if not all, require the business owner to compensate the wait staff if they're not making at least the minimum wage. There's a lower minimum base for wait staff (when I waitressed, it was about $2.50/hour), and it's assumed that you will make enough in tips to meet the difference between the standard minimum wage. Now if you claimed that you only made the minimum every shift, sure the IRS would challenge you, but they don't just assume.<br><br>
I definitely don't always give 15% as a standard rule. If a waitperson is just really crap because of their own attitude, then they're going to end up with less. If there's a kitchen problem or the place is really busy or they're new, etc. then I cut them slack. It works the other way too..good service gets much better than 15% tips from this gal.<br><br>
It's quite funny here, where tipping is not such an expected thing is society at all, to try and figure out what to do in some situations. When I asked an old workmate about what they tipped their postman at Christmas, for instance, she looked at me as if I'd lost my mind.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>IamJen</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2907642"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
That's not entirely accurate about being taxed on assumed tips. Most States, if not all, require the business owner to compensate the wait staff if they're not making at least the minimum wage. There's a lower minimum base for wait staff (when I waitressed, it was about $2.50/hour), and it's assumed that you will make enough in tips to meet the difference between the standard minimum wage. Now if you claimed that you only made the minimum every shift, sure the IRS would challenge you, but they don't just assume.<br><br>
I definitely don't always give 15% as a standard rule. If a waitperson is just really crap because of their own attitude, then they're going to end up with less. If there's a kitchen problem or the place is really busy or they're new, etc. then I cut them slack. It works the other way too..good service gets much better than 15% tips from this gal.</div>
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Yep.<br><br>
In some states in the US, servers already get minimum wage too, just like people who scrub toilets, change diapers (of babies or the elderly or infirm), serve fast food and countless other challenging jobs where they are NOT tipped.<br><br>
I'm with you on the rest of it too, Jen. When service is good and I can, I tip VERY well.<br><br>
There's a favorite place I go to (a Tavern) where I'm given the employee discount, just because <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"> It shows up in the tip; every cent of that discount, plus more, is tipped back to them.
 

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I started a thread about tipping some time ago. It was quite "split" too. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>IamJen</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2907642"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I definitely don't always give 15% as a standard rule. If a waitperson is just really crap because of their own attitude, then they're going to end up with less. If there's a kitchen problem or the place is really busy or they're new, etc. then I cut them slack. It works the other way too..good service gets much better than 15% tips from this gal.</div>
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Same here. I also always complain to the manager if the wait service is really crappy because of their attitude or because of other things which are their own fault.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>fadeaway1289</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2907681"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Same here. I also always complain to the manager if the wait service is really crappy because of their attitude or because of other things which are their own fault.</div>
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Yep.<br><br>
One server was so negative and unpleasant, that I actually wrote on the receipt "Please be nicer!" and put a smiley face.
 

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If our service is bad, and we can tell it is the wait staff that is giving us bad service, we will tip lower. Never less than 10%, though, and that is for very bad service. We do try to pay attention on things that are NOT the fault of the wait staff, and in those cases, we will tip the server well, and sometimes make a note on the receipt. If the food isn't good, or the kitchen gets an order wrong, it's not the fault of the server. Also, if we have coupons or gift cards or for whatever reason we get comped something, we tip on the FULL amount of what the bill would have been.<br><br>
We went to a place one where there were two servers and one busser for about 30 tables. It was Valentine's Day, and I don't know if they underestimated the business they'd get, or if a bunch of servers called in, or what. The floor manager/host was just standing around, and not helping at all. He was available to come over when the table next to us asked to talk to the manager, and proceeded to completely slam the server about poor service, this after making several special demands on the server the whole time they were there. I felt horrible for her! It was obvious to me that she had 14 other tables to take care of, not just them, but they were moaning about how she had neglected them. We left a big tip for her, and wrote a note on the receipt about how much we appreciated her and thought the manager should have helped out instead of standing around.</div>
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When tipping and using a coupon or deal, I also tip on the pre-deal price. I love that you wrote that on the receipt! I do those kinds of things too! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/yes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":yes:"> That floor manager/host should have been getting drinks/refills, condiments etc. at the very least!
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>IamJen</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2907642"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
That's not entirely accurate about being taxed on assumed tips. Most States, if not all, require the business owner to compensate the wait staff if they're not making at least the minimum wage. There's a lower minimum base for wait staff (when I waitressed, it was about $2.50/hour), and it's assumed that you will make enough in tips to meet the difference between the standard minimum wage. Now if you claimed that you only made the minimum every shift, sure the IRS would challenge you, but they don't just assume.<br><br>
I definitely don't always give 15% as a standard rule. If a waitperson is just really crap because of their own attitude, then they're going to end up with less. If there's a kitchen problem or the place is really busy or they're new, etc. then I cut them slack. It works the other way too..good service gets much better than 15% tips from this gal.<br><br>
It's quite funny here, where tipping is not such an expected thing is society at all, to try and figure out what to do in some situations. When I asked an old workmate about what they tipped their postman at Christmas, for instance, she looked at me as if I'd lost my mind.</div>
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Actually yes, I have to claim a minimum percentage based on my sales, regardless if I made that much or not (I have yet to go under that percentage, luckily). That's how it's been at both restaurants I was at, other servers have told me it's the same where they work. If I don't claim at least the minimum percentage, I can get fired. Say I only make 15% all night. I have to tip out 35% to the people who help me. That barely puts me above the minimum.<br><br>
If the service was really that bad to a point where your tipping level goes down, talk to the manager.
 

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Here's the IRS link that describes how they tax tips:<br><a href="http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/industries/article/0%2C%2Cid=98401%2C00.html" target="_blank">http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/...8401%2C00.html</a><br><br>
"Employees must report tip income"<br>
"As an employer, you must ensure that the total tip income reported to you during any pay period is, at a minimum, equal to 8% of your total receipts for that period."<br><br>
In lay terms, that means that the IRS assumes food servers earn an 8% average tip and taxes the food servers accordingly.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>danakscully64</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2907800"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Actually yes, I have to claim a minimum percentage based on my sales, regardless if I made that much or not (I have yet to go under that percentage, luckily). That's how it's been at both restaurants I was at, other servers have told me it's the same where they work. If I don't claim at least the minimum percentage, I can get fired. Say I only make 15% all night. I have to tip out 35% to the people who help me. That barely puts me above the minimum.<br><br>
If the service was really that bad to a point where your tipping level goes down, talk to the manager.</div>
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You *have* to tip out 35% of the 15% you're expected to get? Or some other arbitrary number? Or the actual amount? Or is there a written formula that is mandatory? When in your shift do you sit down and do this math? Are you paid, on the clock for doing this math? Do you use a calculator? Is it on an honor system? It's always been unofficial, in my experience, just like the fact that most servers and other tipped people severely under report tips. Just trying to understand...
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>*AHIMSA*</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2907647"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
In some states in the US, servers already get minimum wage too, just like people who scrub toilets, change diapers (of babies or the elderly or infirm), serve fast food and countless other challenging jobs where they are NOT tipped.</div>
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Just because others are underpaid, doesn't mean servers should be under tipped too. I work a heck of a lot harder than I did at my fast food job. My job now is a lot more challenging on my legs, back, the training was MUCH more extensive, my knowledge on the menu is borderline insane, I have more responsibilities, I work longer hours, etc.<br><br>
Minimum wage is not enough to live on.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>danakscully64</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2907808"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Just because others are underpaid, doesn't mean servers should be under tipped too. I work a heck of a lot harder than I did at my fast food job. My job now is a lot more challenging on my legs, back, the training was MUCH more extensive, my knowledge on the menu is borderline insane, I have more responsibilities, I work longer hours, etc.<br><br>
Minimum wage is not enough to live on.</div>
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And a toilet scrubber works harder than most of us too. S/he chooses to take that job at minimum wage, just as you choose to take yours at minimum wage, which is all you both are guaranteed.<br><br>
RE: minimum wage not being enough to live on, that's a separate topic altogether and I agree. I feel minimum wage should be between $10-$15.
 
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