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Ive been a veggie for awail now but my friends just dont understand !!! they always say but how am i helping ... they are already dead and just me stopping eating isnt making any difference and if i dont eat that meat someone else will so iam not helping etc i dont know what to say and i just cant explain myself very well <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/undecided.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":-/"><br><br><br><br>
what can i say to my friends to make them understand that iam helping and that iam making a difference ???<br><br><br><br>
and when they say they are already dead and iam not stopping that by not eating them what should i say ??? iam stuck<br><br><br><br>
i do fill very strongly about being a vegetarian i just cant explain myself ??
 

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The animal may already be dead, but buying it is paying the person who killed it. Indirectly of course, but you get the point.
 

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I know exactly how you feel; the kids at my lunch table are the same way. The trick is not to let them bring you down, because you know the truth about it, and they obviously don't. You don't need to answer them. Tell them 'meat is murder.' If they are animal lovers, they are guilty because they eat animals, and they give you a hard time to make themselves feel better. If they are indifferent to animals, well... That's their own fault. The point is, don't let them get you down. You don't need to explain to them why you're veggie anymore than they explain to you why they eat flesh.
 

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I only have time to say very very basicly but tell them that animals whether domestic or farmed or wild or no, (one or the other) are still creatures whether meant or bred for food or not etc.<br><br><br><br>
And tell them to check out Care2.com which is a site made to help the environment and animals. Its uses petitions a lot this site for many causes.. and causes can be anything a user wants, but sticking mainly with animals and the environment in mind...<br><br>
There are of course MANY other sites that would inform you in more obvious detail than Care2.com but Care2.com is special in that it invites people to take action by networking (both socially and for causes)....<br><br>
As you can imagine there are a substantial number of vegans and vegetarians on this site.
 

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I only have time to say very very basicly but tell them that animals whether domestic or farmed or wild or no, (one or the other) are still creatures whether meant or bred for food or not etc.<br><br><br><br>
And tell them to check out <a href="http://www.Care2.com" target="_blank">www.Care2.com</a> which is a site made to help the environment and animals.<br><br>
Its uses petitions a lot this site for many causes.. and causes can be anything a user wants, but sticking mainly with animals and the environment in mind... There are of course MANY other sites that would inform you in more obvious detail than <a href="http://www.Care2.com" target="_blank">www.Care2.com</a> but <a href="http://www.Care2.com" target="_blank">www.Care2.com</a> is special in that it invites people to take action by networking (both socially and for causes)....As you can imagine there are a substantial number of vegans and vegetarians on this site.
 

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Rachel, that argument cannot be restricted to animal issues. You could retort: why bother not breaking into houses, since theft happens every day? Why bother not being sexist, racist, etc, since racism/sexism happens each day? Okay there's an issue of law here, so:<br><br><br><br><i>Hey, why not laugh at the disabled, since if you don't, someone else will!!</i><br><br><br><br>
Our moral compass - our beliefs, etc - are never determined by the belief that <i>the whole world will change tommorrow and follow us</i>. If they were, we'd never get anywhere. It seems to me that a reasonable position to take would be:<br><br><br><br>
"I know that my becoming vegetarian does not translate into the world becoming vegetarian/animal suffering stopping. THAT MUCH IS BLEEDING OBVIOUS. BUt I feel no NEED to eat animals, I see no benefit in eating animals, and I think that it is in my interests, health wise, morality wise, etc, therefore even if my efforts were futile, they would still be valid".<br><br><br><br>
Your friends are falling into th trap of thinking morality has to be "successful" for it to be worthwhile. It doesn't. It's important to be moral, even if you get no where. So even if you accept your friends' position, that vegetarianism is worthless, that would not make it any less valid as a moral choice.<br><br><br><br>
In short, I doubt your friends would go out and kick a dog. Why? Why not? Dogs are beaten up every day. Your friends not kicking a dog is not going to stop dogs gettong kicked, so why don't they kick dogs?<br><br><br><br>
The answer is, because they know that it is wrong. It doesn't matter thaht dogs are beaten up every day, b ecuase it is wrong nonetheless.<br><br><br><br>
"i do fill very strongly about being a vegetarian i just cant explain myself ??"<br><br><br><br>
Never feel compelled to. You do not have to justify your compassion to anyone. Compassion does not need to be explained, nor less defended. If your friends are bothering you about your moral choices, do not baulk from telling them to buzz off.<br><br><br><br>
ps: the average meat eater eat 5,000 animals in a lifetime. (is that right? check the figure for me someone). The average vegetarian doesn't.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>lachry</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Rachel, that argument cannot be restricted to animal issues. You could retort: why bother not breaking into houses, since theft happens every day? Why bother not being sexist, racist, etc, since racism/sexism happens each day?</div>
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That elaborated by you was my approach in what I was trying to say (but in too short a way the way I said it).
 

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well..in my opinion the only thing more delicious than a 72 ounce bloody steak is slaughtering my own piglets to eat their ribs.<br><br><br><br>
then i rip off their flesh and fry it into amazing crispy bacon. then i grind up whats left and we have a barbeque
 

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I know this may be hard but if they don't support you like you support them than they are not your friends. Feel free to pm me. I'll support your veggie life! I met a lot of flack from my psuedo friends so I dropped them. I now am making new friends who don't care about what I eat aslong as it tastes good. Keep up your Vegetarian lifestyle YOU ARE MAKING A DIFFERENCE! Be a positive person. You are helping the world cut down on pollution, cruelty, and suffering. Just make sure about getting your nutrients <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">
 

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Welcome, Rachel! Actually you expressed yourself okay, probably.<br><br><br><br>
Unfortunately, most people see most animals as a resource to be exploited. If they can't see animals as worth more than sandwich filling, that isn't your fault. By not eating animal flesh, you do not contribute to a demand for it and, theoretically, fewer animals will be killed to supply this demand.
 

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What works for me is just to say<br><br><br><br>
"I don't like the taste of meat"<br><br><br><br>
Interesting a lot will come back and say how they are not eating much meat lately or there partner doesn't eat meat or what ever.Then you can go into the subject in a deeper level ...but push it<br><br><br><br>
If they come at you on a negative level just go back at them and point that there must be foods that they don't like and don't eat .<br><br><br><br>
It works for me any way <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> wish you well
 

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Or you could point out to them that even if you wanted to, you can't buy a computer with a floppy disk drive anymore. Why not? People quit buying them, so the manufacturers quit making them. You wouldn't 'save' a floppy disk computer by passing it up in the store, but you'd stop an additional one from being built.
 

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Are you saying that Bios because how people say there are animal bits in a PC ? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":confused:">
 

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Damn those kidneys. They sure are sexy.<br><br><br><br>
Your friends need to be enlightened. Give them some information on vegetarianism and expose them to the things that brought you to become a vegetarian. Maybe then they will understand, even if they don't want to... "convert"
 

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No, I'm not claiming there are animal byproducts in computers... though I wouldn't be surprised if there was a bit in the solvents or lubricants. I was simply showing an example of how removing the demand for a product led to reduced production of that product. Telling people 'it's the law of supply and demand' only works if those people understand that lowering the demand for a product will end up reducing its supply.
 
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