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not sure if this should be in the heap or not....?<br><br><a href="http://www.chronogram.com/issue/2012/1/Whole+Living/The-Vitamin-Debate" target="_blank">http://www.chronogram.com/issue/2012...Vitamin-Debate</a><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">When it comes to vitamin supplements, the messages are mixed, and even the most objective nutrition experts seem to lock heads in disagreement. Two papers published in the fall of last yearan Iowa Womens Health study that signaled a slight increase in mortality (yes, increase) among older women who took multivitamins, and a select trial that linked vitamin E supplementation with a higher risk of prostate cancer in menfound pundits questioning the effectiveness and even the safety of some vitamin supplements. To complicate matters, some experts expressed doubt over the soundness of the multivitamin study. Through it all, and undeterred by a sluggish economy, the industry remains robust. Americans spent $28 billion on vitamins and other supplements in 2010, a 4.4 percent increase from the previous year, according to Nutrition Business Journal, a trade publication. In 2011 the GNC brand reported a 15.5 percent increase in annual revenue, and stock in the company was up. Many Americans, particularly the well-educated and affluent, have enough vitties in their possession to power a small army.</div>
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I agree with Nestle.
 

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That Women's Health Study sucked so hard that I couldn't believe it.<br><br><a href="http://www.lef.org/featured-articles/1014_Flawed-Study-Used-To-Discredit-Multivitamin-Mineral-Supplements.htm" target="_blank">http://www.lef.org/featured-articles...upplements.htm</a><br><a href="http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v07n10.shtml" target="_blank">http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v07n10.shtml</a>
 

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I think many people underestimate the importance of a wholistic approach to wellness. They focus too narrowly on micronutrients and so they take vitamins rather than looking at the big picture and trying to live a healthy lifestyle that includes a good diet along with exercise.
 

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Much of it is probably the fault of researchers and journalists who fail to explain the implications of correlations between disease and biochemical markers, or even falsely state a correlation as a causal effect! Supplement companies tend toward the latter. Many researchers have finally started noting what correlation means, but only at the end where journalists never read.<br><br>
Example: Studies were done to see if stuff like carrots and other rich carotene sources prevent cancer or lower death from existing cancer. Asking people "how many grams of carrots, kale, spinach, collard greens, squash, etc. did you eat in the last year?" leads to notoriously inaccurate data. To more accurately measure their intake the researchers instead sucked blood or fat from people and measured the beta-carotene. The more carrots you eat the more alpha and beta carotene in your blood and fat. They found that the more carotene in people (from food) the less cancer, at that point it was anybodies guess if carotene even had anything to do with cancer, they were measuring carrot and kale eating. This got reported falsely as "carotene prevents cancer" and people started taking carotene pills... which, once someone finally studied carotene itself, was found to promote cancer.<br>
Same basic story for "vitamin E", but in that case the supplement industry isnt even selling the same vitamin measured in the clinical tests (which was originally only meant as a marker for whole grain consumption)! There are eight known naturally occurring "vitamin E"'s, four tocopherols and four tocotrienols, they are hard to tell apart in the test tube so all eight were measured in comparison to the most easily and cheaply available one, alpha-tocopherol. Alpha-tocopherol itself blocks absorption of all 7 others, but its cheapest so its whats in supplements, problem is theres good evidence that its mainly the other 7 that prevent cancer and heart disease.<br>
Folic acid, laughingly called a vitamin, doesnt even exist in nature as a nutritive factor- its a synthetic pharmaceutical drug that mimics a real vitamin! But not very well since it causes cancer. In the US its in all white flour by law, and its in most whole wheat breads.<br><br>
Same basic story for nearly every vitamin and pseudo-vitamin (like lutein and lycopene... aka. kale and tomatoes)<br>
If you ever hear something good about a vitamin look for the common foods that will naturally supply it. Because thats probably where the only real reliable benefit was measured from. Common foods are better than exotics with a higher amount of the allegedly beneficial vitamin because 1) the study was likely measuring consumption of the food thats noted for having that vitamin, 2) common sources of the vitamin are what people would mostly have been eating to manifest the correlation. So no need to seek out exotic gak fruit, goumi fruit, acerola fruit, or mulukiya nuts.. just go to the supermarket and get whole foods.
 

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I feel it's better to get vitamins from food, for better absorption and because vitamins are expensive, and there is no conclusive proof they work all the time.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>ElaineV</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3070634"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I think many people underestimate the importance of a wholistic approach to wellness. They focus too narrowly on micronutrients and so they take vitamins rather than looking at the big picture and trying to live a healthy lifestyle that includes a good diet along with exercise.</div>
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This.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>iWolff</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3071016"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I feel it's better to get vitamins from food, for better absorption and because vitamins are expensive, and there is no conclusive proof they work all the time.</div>
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And this.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>iWolff</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3071016"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I feel it's better to get vitamins from food, for better absorption and because vitamins are expensive, and there is no conclusive proof they work all the time.</div>
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Absolutely, but with respect to certain vitamins I think we all need to be vigilant. I take Vitamin D and B12 everyday... not because I <i>think</i> they are good to take but because I was actually diagnosed as being deficient in them. I think it's prudent and basically just plain smart for veg*ns to get an annual screening for such things.
 

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according to Dr Furhman, no one should supplement with folic acid, and especially not pregnant women.....remember the big push to make sure pregnant women were getting supplemented with FA? Now they know that MVIs containing it can cause increased breast cancers....he has his citations at the end.....Eat foods with lots of FA in them instead of supplementing. <a href="http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/folic_acid_dangers_and_prenatal_vitamins.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/fol..._vitamins.aspx</a><br><br>
Probably most people don't actually supplement with specific beta carotene, but there is an increase in cardiovascular disease with taking those. <a href="http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/article9.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/article9.aspx</a>
 

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I think most vitamins are like candy they only work for limited amount, I know there are good ones out there but most are crappy also. Be very cautious what you purchase and take, I filled my pill box before we left for our Christmas trip a few weeks ago with my one pill and a vitamin, I never took the vitamin because something stopped me from taking it, I rather get my nutrients from healthy foods.
 

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I take a B complex and that's about it. I know more than a few people who are pill happy when it comes to vitamins though.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Envy</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3070626"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
That Women's Health Study sucked so hard that I couldn't believe it.</div>
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Yes, but was it good for you? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>ElaineV</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3070634"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I think many people underestimate the importance of a wholistic approach to wellness. They focus too narrowly on micronutrients and so they take vitamins rather than looking at the big picture and trying to live a healthy lifestyle that includes a good diet along with exercise.</div>
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Agreed, only I would also add stress-reduction to that as well. I take two supplements a day... Vitamin D and B12... but only because I was diagnosed as deficient in both. Otherwise, I try to get all of my nutrients from real food. For all its good and bad points, sadly the internet has created a situation where everyone has come to micro-manage their nutrient intakes to the point that it is often counter-productive.<br><br>
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I take vitamin D in the winter and Vitamin b12. Other than that I take spirulina daily but that's a whole food not a vitamin.
 
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