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So the other day my kids (who are not vegetarians) asked me why vegans don't eat eggs. They said they understood about them not being healthy but they didn't understand why eating eggs would hurt animals.<br><br><br><br>
So I explained it. I asked them what they think happens to the boy chickens. They shrugged and said "we eat them?" I explained that we don't even eat them. they're mostly just thrown in the garbage and that the chickens people eat are girl chickens. They were pretty surprised. I said, "What, did you think they kept the boy chickens around to wake up the farmers?"<br><br><br><br>
I said that I'm not telling that it's right or wrong, just that they should know how it works so they can decide on their own. I don't think my son really cared but I'm fairly certain that my daughter will be vegetarian before too much longer. She's a big animal lover.
 

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My daughter was also telling me that one of her friends has pet chickens (not very common here in suburban San Diego.)<br><br><br><br>
She said she was telling her friends that she likes chickens because they're cute and her friend said, "Really? How many do you have?"<br><br><br><br>
And my daughter says, "Um....zero."
 

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That's cool. Yes, the Vegans are proud of you. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Grats! You get a vegan cookie. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> And a second cookie for the GIR avatar.<br><br><br><br>
Doom doom doom de doomey doomey doom...
 

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Screw vegans. YOU should be proud of you for telling your kids the truth and letting them make their own choices. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":up:">
 

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Thanks! The tricky part was explaining it without coming of as judgemental or hypocritical (I'm not cooking with eggs at home and I'm not eating things that obviously have eggs in them but I'm lazy about asking about ingredients at restaurants.) And I didn't want to be over-the-top dramatic about it. I just stated the facts as I understood them and told them to make their own decision.<br><br><br><br>
They started to ask about milk but then they answered their own question when they realized that the baby cows become food.
 

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Good for you for giving them a meaningful answer!<br><br>
But technically, I think we (Americans) do eat chickens of both sexes, but they are of the broiler (meat) breeds. It is totally true that we don't eat male layer-breed chickens.<br><br>
The real reason for most ethical vegans would probably not be the deaths of the males so much as the mistreatment, mutilations, and confinement that the layer hens themselves receive on the "farm." But that's a very unpleasant thing to try to explain.
 

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I didn't want to go into the whole issue of how the chickens are treated because I didn't want to get into the "what if they take good care of the chickens" and "what about free range" conversation.<br><br><br><br>
I just wanted to keep it simple (I didn't even know that boiler chickens and laying chickens were different breeds, how lame am I)
 

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BTW, when asked what they do with the boy chickens, my daughter suggested the following:<br><br><br><br>
Pose for the pictures on the cornflakes box<br><br>
Stand on roofs and point in the direction that the wind is blowing<br><br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:">
 

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I went clothes shopping today and found one of "those" shirts. You know, the kind you put on and look at yourself in, and then your heart races, your skin gets cold, your stomach gets butterflies...just like falling in love. The PERFECT shirt.<br><br><br><br>
Then I looked at the tag...100% silk.<br><br><br><br>
I hemmed. I hawed. I told myself it was "only one shirt." I thought about how I don't even really like bugs. $24.99! When will I find a shirt this nice ever again in my entire life!<br><br><br><br>
But I put it back on the rack. Felt a warm glow of accomplishment. Then went on to find dreamy cotton slacks on another rack. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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Good job! I'm pretty lucky in that my husband hates silk and I'm allergic to wool. I went to the mall to buy sweaters and after store after store of ugly sweaters, I found one that looked great on me but it itched like crazy. I looked at the label and it was 30% wool. D'oh! No wonder! I put it back and found a couple of cotton ones that I liked almost as much and don't give me a rash.
 

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Great, Medesha!<br><br><br><br>
Codemonkey, I think that was a good way to handle it.<br><br><br><br>
I've been doing well in not eating the egg-containing brownies, cinnamon fritters, and other stuff they sell in this area.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>codemonkey</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
(I didn't even know that boiler chickens and laying chickens were different breeds, how lame am I)</div>
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Aren't the two types of chickens so different because of some sort of genetic manipulation? Or am I just crazy?
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>codemonkey</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I didn't want to go into the whole issue of how the chickens are treated because I didn't want to get into the "what if they take good care of the chickens" and "what about free range" conversation.<br></div>
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Good call.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>codemonkey</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I just wanted to keep it simple (I didn't even know that boiler chickens and laying chickens were different breeds, how lame am I)</div>
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That's not lame. Most people don't know.<br><br>
FYI, the different breeds thing is true for dairy and beef-only cattle too, which is why dairies usually consider male (dairy breed) calves as trash rather than as future beef, and it's partly why slaughtered dairy cows end up in lower grade meat products, like hamburger.
 

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Aren't the two types of chickens so different because of some sort of genetic manipulation? Or am I just crazy?</div>
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Mostly selective breeding, yes.
 
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