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<a href="http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/arrests_after_yorkshire_anti_racism_gig_stormed_1_3500239" target="_blank">Anti-Racism music concert attacked in England</a><br><br>
OK, so, it says activist discussion on the forum, so, this was a good a place as any to post this.<br><br>
I am using this news story as it is a fresh one. Sadly, stories like this happen almost daily<br><br>
Here in England, we have a problem (I'm calling it a problem because it's not, in my eyes, a good thing), with the far right.<br><br>
In recent history, we have had groups like Combat 18, The National Front, the British National Party and now the English Defence League.<br><br>
Basically, they're all the same. Far right nazi bigots.<br><br>
I'll make this perfectly clear in case you hadn't already guessed. I have a very big problem with racism, fascism, bigotry... whatever you want to call it.<br><br>
Because of the European community being what it is, many migrants and asylum seekers look for a better life. Many choose to come to Britain. And whilst a good many of these people are honest and hard-working, an element - just like in any other walk of life - are somewhat unsavoury.<br><br>
This breeds fear, which itself turns to hatred.<br><br>
This is where the far right come in and spout rhetoric nonsense and pray on the poorly educated and fill their heads full of lies.<br><br>
I understand California and Texas has a similar issue with Mexicans.<br><br>
Is racism an issue where you are and how do you deal with it? If you're a racist, speak up. Explain why. Australian VB-ers... is there still tension regarding Aborigines/land rights?<br><br>
Let's have a chat about the issue. I think it's something worth talking about. If there's a problem, how do you solve it?
 

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The most recent issue involving race, that really got media attention in America was the bill in Arizona that condoned racial profiling.<br><br>
Somebody having an issue with an anti racism concert does signal issues...was there something that happened that led to this concert? Like an event or something?
 

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I don't think the EDL/BNP/other racist idiots are actually that much of a problem in the UK. Mostly because people reslise they're idiots. Remember the video that went around a few months back of the EDL supporter who could barely string a sentence together? The majority of the public laugh at these people, rather than sympathising with or listening to them.<br><br>
That said, the issue of people using the BNP as a "protest vote" in elections is an issue that needs to be addressed.<br><br>
*EDIT* I meant to say this is all my opinion, of course. Other people may see it very differently.
 

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lol British racists are some of the dumbest racists out there. The ones that don't claim to be racist instead say that they simply feel that allowing other races into the country will ruin the country's history and culture. WELL, seeing as the UK has basically gone into other countries and stolen bits of their culture, I just sit there and laugh at British nationalists. My dad is Greek Cypriot (which to us still counts as Greek) and it angers him to even think about the Parthenon marbles - which to my knowledge, were stolen from Greece - sitting in a British museum, so to say that Britain is being destroyed by other cultures is disgusting. Britain is a prime example of a culture that would not exist were it not for other surrounding cultures, just like America.
 

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I don't think it really helps our understanding of the problem simply to describe the anti-immigration people as dumb, idiots, or just protest voters etc. There is a significant portion of the electorate who are opposed to mass immigration. They're not all idiots. They're not all protest voters. What drives them is fear of mass immigration of people from foreign cultures. These are basically immigrants from outside the western cultural sphere who are less likely to adopt the values and customs of western liberal democracy, women's rights etc, even animal "rights". They are less likely to learn to speak properly the majority language of their new host countries etc, basically less likely to integrate with the current majority culture. They are afraid the nation and culture they know and love will one day simply disappear and they become a minority in their own country.
 

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I don't think it really helps our understanding of the problem simply to describe the anti-immigration people as dumb, idiots, or just protest voters etc. There is a significant portion of the electorate who are opposed to mass immigration. They're not all idiots. They're not all protest voters. What drives them is fear of mass immigration of people from foreign cultures. These are basically immigrants from outside the western cultural sphere who are less likely to adopt the values and customs of western liberal democracy, women's rights etc, even animal "rights". They are less likely to learn to speak properly the majority language of their new host countries etc, basically less likely to integrate with the current majority culture. They are afraid the nation and culture they know and love will one day simply disappear and they become a minority in their own country.</div>
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Honestly some of that stuff i am afraid of here in the US, though i don't have a problem with legal immigrants. Everything is in spanish and english now, and a lot of jobs require you to speak both because there are so many people that can't speak english, i wouldn't like mass immigration if it's going to cause even higher population and problems, honestly i really wish they would just learn english, just like i would learn spanish if i moved to mexico or another south american country, but since we cater to people that can't speak the language they don't need to.
 

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Honestly some of that stuff i am afraid of here in the US, though i don't have a problem with legal immigrants. Everything is in spanish and english now, and a lot of jobs require you to speak both because there are so many people that can't speak english, i wouldn't like mass immigration if it's going to cause even higher population and problems, honestly i really wish they would just learn english, just like i would learn spanish if i moved to mexico or another south american country, <span style="text-decoration:underline;"><b>but since we cater to people that can't speak the language they don't need to.</b></span></div>
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<br><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><b><br><br></b></span>Exactly! My sister lives in New Mexico (USA) and that's exactly what they are running up against in their local tv and radio advertising....everything is in both languages, and the school classes have to be taught in both languages too....slowing down the learning process. They have an excessive amt of illegal Mexicans in their state which is burdening the health care system financially, esp when it comes to women having their children here, which is a planned event. There are a lot of issues that could be discussed with illegal immigrants vs legal.
 

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Well, we don't have a government-established national language, so until/unless that happens, things will suck that way. However, I think it would be the cool thing to do for immigrants, legal or otherwise, to learn what is our UNofficial language! Especially when it comes to things like standard education.
 

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I don't think the EDL/BNP/other racist idiots are actually that much of a problem in the UK.</div>
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I think it depends on where you live. In my local area the EDL have had protests recently about a proposed Islamic centre.
 

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I guess, being in Scotland, I think most of us view the BNP as a kind of English thing (especially as around 1/3 of us would like Scotland to be independent from Britain anyway) so we are more caught up in our own nationalist politics which are of a completely different flavour and nothing to do with fascism. Racism on the other hand certainly does happen, along with 'coming here, stealing our jobs' kind of attitudes. As someone who volunteers for organisations which help asylum seekers and trafficked persons and immigrants from other backgrounds too, I know that nothing about the system is easy and many people raise their eyebrows when they hear who I work for and what I plan to do with my law degree (nobody can understand why I would not just want to use it to make money).
 

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I think it depends on where you live. In my local area the EDL have had protests recently about a proposed Islamic centre.</div>
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Islam is not, to the best of my knowledge, a race.<br><br><a href="http:" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4YMbsEm3ms</a>
 

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I just typed out a post and lost it, grrr.<br><br>
The EDL is based in Islamophobia. They claim to be against militant Islam and say they welcome people of other races and faiths as long as they share that view. Most Muslims in the UK are non-white obviously. From what I have seen the EDL are largely white male yobs.
 

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<a href="http:" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjfCWy6dmco</a><br><br>
Again, "Islamophobia" is a lie.<br><br>
Best quote on the Middle East I've ever heard "There are millions of people in the Muslim world far scarier than Dick Cheney."
 

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In the big cities in England, local government leaflets often have 6 or so different languages printed on them. Although I believe that if people immigrate they should be helped, I don't think that this is the right way. I think everybody should have to learn our language within a certain amount of time, and learn about our culture - and we should provide free lessons for those unable to pay.<br><br>
Integration starts with language but then continues with other activities - often we as a country seem to try to hard to fit in with immigrants, rather than them fit in with us (for example, our attitude to religions, where motorcycling Sikhs do not have to comply with the law and wear helmets). Another rule that is often broken is by Islamic/Kosher slaughterhouse who don't have to stick to our slaughterhouse practices. If immigrants arrive on our shores and then demand that we stick to their rules, it riles many people. And the Daily Mail shout about every instance they find, which just winds more people up.<br><br>
When basic rules are allowed to be broken it encourages racism against people who belong to that religion or share the same skin colour (yes, I know religion does not equal race, but where I live most brown skinned Asians are seen as Muslims whether they are or not, so I am generalising because that the racists don't make the distinction).<br><br>
Having moved from a large city to a much smaller one, we found that racism is far stronger here: because there are fewer immigrants they are viewed with suspicion.<br><br>
I think the only answer is for the different races coming to our country to make the effort to integrate - and I appreciate that may be hard. But if you look at the waves of immigrants, since the 30's/40's we had the Irish - the much maligned, drunken, foul-mouthed, lazy, uneducated and unwelcome Irish, as they were seen then - who are now the beloved Irish, and now seen as friendly and fun loving; and the windrush immigrants, who integrated slower than the Irish, but are now generally accepted. Both of these groups had the advantage of already speaking the language, which a lot of Asians and Eastern Europeans don't. So it is up to us as a country, if we want to use them in our labour force, to help them to integrate, and it is up to them to try to fit in to our culture.<br><br>
I see a lot less racism in our younger generations - round here it is age 50+ who are racist, in larger cities it is probably a lower age, so I am optimistic that as our childrens generations grow up with a variety of races around them the acceptance will increase with the corresponding racism decreasing.<br><br>
I've just re-read what I have written, and realise it is a massive generalisation based on a little knowledge and a lot of personal experience, so feel free to disagree with my synopsis! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Again, "Islamophobia" is a lie.</div>
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Er, I am going to have to disagree with you there. I have heard a lot of anti-Muslim sentiments expressed since 9/11 and 7/7. I used to work with an Asian girl who told me that people shouted "P*ki Terrorist" to her on the street.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> The Islamic Centre I mentioned was going to be built for the local Muslim community. I am not religious but I respect religious people should have the right to worship. (Incidentally the site was formerly a butcher shop that closed down.)<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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I think the only answer is for the different races coming to our country to make the effort to integrate - and I appreciate that may be hard. But if you look at the waves of immigrants, since the 30's/40's we had the Irish - the much maligned, drunken, foul-mouthed, lazy, uneducated and unwelcome Irish, as they were seen then - who are now the beloved Irish, and now seen as friendly and fun loving;</div>
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Yes, my grandparents are Irish and I know they faced a lot of hostility when they came here at first.
 

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Yes, my grandparents are Irish and I know they faced a lot of hostility when they came here at first.</div>
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My father too. I know he was subject to racism for quite a while when he arrived here in 1946 (even from his future parents in law - my English grandparents).
 

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I think it depends on where you live. In my local area the EDL have had protests recently about a proposed Islamic centre.</div>
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In that case I'm very lucky to live where I do! Here we're a very diverse city and racists usually get laughed out of town. I remember there was a fuss last year about an EDL protest one Saturday, but the majority of people completely ignored them and they haven't been back since.<br><br>
I'm sorry that you have to put up with intolerance in your area, though, Pixie <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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I thought this was a vegetarian forum.</div>
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It is, but it's also for general discussion among all the members. (Like the Compost Heap and Veggie Patch for example)
 
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