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What does everyone think about the military? Are any of you in or have been in the military?<br><br><br><br>
I've been thinking about joining the Marines, Air Force, or Navy when I'm old enough. I'm kind of worried about survival training and going back to being lacto-ovo, though.
 

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I can honestly say that I'd never join the military, but I admire people who've got the endurance and dedication to stick it out.<br><br><br><br>
Have you ever talked to a recruiter?
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by FemmeDemonica</i><br><br><b>I can honestly say that I'd never join the military, but I admire people who've got the endurance and dedication to stick it out.<br><br><br><br>
Have you ever talked to a recruiter?</b></div>
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Nope. I think I'm going to order some of those video's on T.V., first. I also want to read more up on how their vegetarian meals work. If you can only get them for religious purposes or anyone can request them. I'm worried about the survival training (which I think is only in the ARMY and Marines) which teaches you how to snap an animals neck and trap them, so I read anyways. If I do end up joining, down the road, I hope I can find another vegetarian to enlist with me and do their buddy program.
 

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Uhm. I'm sure you can make individual dietary provisions, but otherwise you cannot customise the military to meet your needs.<br><br><br><br>
Survival training is survival training. You don't wanna learn it as they teach it, you'll be out on your ass.<br><br><br><br>
Besides which, not to be disgusting, but in the real world, out by yourself in the wild, without Wholefoods and grocery stores and lentil trees, you might be glad for some hunting skills. Especially ones that make the kill quick and minimally painful.<br><br><br><br>
NOt that I like that kind of stuff, but were talking about throwing yourself in some extreme situations.<br><br><br><br>
No one is going to take you if you refuse to learn survival. You'd be nothing but dead weight. You'd be out on the next ice flow.
 

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NOt only that, but you do realise that the military is about KILLING people, right?<br><br><br><br>
You don't strike me as the mercenary type. Neither do most vegetarian types. If you can't handle killing chickens, I don't see how you could join a group whose entire purpose is for the destruction of human life. Peacekeeping aside.
 

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in general i dont think you would have to worry about survival training, im pretty sure that is for special forces type of military. Regular ARMY you would be learning the basics, i doubt you would even touch a live animal during that training. Marines would go more into it but again i doubt you would touch an animal during training. Survival skill in general are important to learn and if by chance you do learn them, not only will you learn about trapping and animals you will learn about plants, which ones you can eat, medicinal ones and whatever else. But yeah, like Avalon said, the military is designed to defeat your enemy by force, which mean killing them, if you think you can be part of that, even if not doing the actual killing, then go for it. Also think about what you want to learn while you are there. Some branches are better than others for training for specific purposes.
 

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Avalon, I have to disagree with you that the sole purpose of the military is about killing people or the destruction of human life. On the contary, the purpose of one's military is first and foremost to protect its people and country FROM being killed by someone else. In many cases, just the presence of a military force is enough of a deterrent to avoid being attacked or invaded.<br><br><br><br>
Having said that, these people are indeed trained in the "art of killing efficiently". From a protection point of view, I have to say I'm happy the military knows how to kill and are trained to do so.<br><br><br><br>
As for peacekeeping, heh, I dunno if I'd go so far as to call ours (Canada's) "peaceful" considering the death and violence blemishes on their collective record as a group.
 

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dont go into the coast guard, they are bad for training, by brother was in it for 4 years and didnt receive a lick of specialty training.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block"><i>orginally posted by Robert</i><br><br><b>On the contary, the purpose of one's military is first and foremost to protect its people and country FROM being killed by someone else.</b></div>
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you must not follow the news regarding the impending war on Iraq.
 

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i really dislike the military, generally. i know people who are in it and love it, but they're people who've never had to actually go to war yet. they enjoy the boot camp experience, training and whatnot. i say if that's all you want out of it, go learn a martial art or kickboxing or become a police officer.<br><br><br><br>
one guy i used to work with was in the reserves, like once a week or something he'd go for training, but the rest of the time he lived at home and did whatever he wanted. it doesn't take over your entire life the way military usually does. but if we go to war, they're still out there killing and being killed, because of some dumbass american politician stirring up sh*t and dragging us into it. this guy was all excited about learning how to jump from a plane, but hey, guess what, you can do that without joining the reserves, it's called skydiving, anyone can take lessons. only difference is they get paid to do it, but if you get your head blown off a month later it's not exactly worth it.
 

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you must not follow the news regarding the impending war on Iraq.</div>
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Geez Majake, come on... I know you are more intelligent than to assume I said anywhere in my post that protection was the <b>only</b> reason for a military. Surely I do not have to expand on it to include a second purpose is that of taking any necessary action to ensure one's country won't be attacked.<br><br><br><br>
Certainly going to war with Iraq is not a popular decision among many North American citizens. However, the level of paranoia and threat of further attacks on US soil have really escalated the last year or so to the point where many others believe a proactive approach is necessary.
 

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i hardly see how starting a war is considered "pro" active
 

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LF, I am by no means saying what is right or what is wrong. All I am saying is that many are of the opinion of "take out any enemies before they can take out you". That is what I meant by proactive. Some folks think this is the right solution, others do not.
 

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gotcha
 

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The US government seems to think the Militarys main purpose is to deal with our oil supply. Im not saying you are wrong, just the US gov't is. Cause i agree that the main purpose 'should' be to protect ones country.<br><br><br><br>
[edit]PS i was joking when i made that remark
 

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If the war is all about oil, maybe instead of putting intelligent minds to military strategy, why not put them to figuring out a way to sythetically produce oil. Ya know, they do it on Star Trek. Synthetic oil seems much more useful to me than cloned sheep or atomic weapons.
 

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So did lots of candle makers when Edison invented the light bulb. Changing times.
 

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yep that's why they bought the rights to electric cars and won't let them make it onto the market. they know we'll run out of oil pretty soon but they won't let us find alternatives til they've squeezed every dime they can out of us first.<br><br><br><br>
course it might help if they stopped spilling it all into our oceans <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rolleyes:">
 

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<b>"Super Soldiers" Coming Your Way</b><br><br><br><br><i>Chris Floyd<br><br>
The Moscow Times - 10 January 2003</i><br><br><br><br>
The great wizard, leader of the Wise, once known to all the world as a force for good, has turned bitter, fearful -- and ambitious. Aping the ways of the evil he once fought -- brutality, dominance, greed, terror -- he descends to his secret laboratory, where, with black arts of alchemy and fiendish technology, he breeds a race of mutant warriors, "iron bodied and iron willed": fierce fighters who can attack day and night, without rest, their combat spirit kept soaring by spikes of lightning from the wizard's wand.<br><br><br><br>
A scene from J.R.R. Tolkein's "The Lord of the Rings," where the corrupted wizard Saruman fashions his monstrous Uruk-Hai to wage a relentless, remorseless war for dominion? No; unfortunately it's a very real scheme now being pursued by the Pentagon, whose dope wizards and gene splicers are working on the creation of the "Extended Performance War Fighter," the Daily Telegraph and Christian Science Monitor report.<br><br><br><br>
Pentagon dark lord Donald Rumsfeld is shoveling billions of tax dollars into the research furnaces of federal laboratories and private universities across the land in the wide-ranging effort to spawn "super soldiers," fired by drugs and electromagnetic "brain zaps" to fight without ceasing for days on end. The work is being directed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) -- yes, the same outfit now laboring under convicted terrorist-conspirator John Poindexter to build the "Total Information Awareness" network that will allow the government to monitor the electronic records and communications of every citizen.<br><br><br><br>
The DARPA "war fighter enhancement" programs -- an acceleration of bipartisan biotinkering that's been going on for years -- will involve injecting young men and women with hormonal, neurological and genetic concoctions; implanting microchips and electrodes in their bodies to control their internal organs and brain functions; and plying them with drugs that deaden some of their normal human tendencies: the need for sleep, the fear of death, the reluctance to kill their fellow human beings.<br><br><br><br>
The research is "very aggressive and wide open," says Admiral Stephen Baker of the Center for Defense Information. Indeed, the U.S. Special Operations Command envisions the creation of "iron bodied and iron willed personnel" who can "resist the mental and physiological effects of sleep deprivation" while relying on "ergogenic substances" to "manage" the "environmental and mentally induced stress" of the battlefield. Their bodies juiced, their brains swaddled in Prozacian haze, the enhanced warfighters can churn relentlessly, remorselessly toward dominion.<br><br><br><br>
And the term "creation" is not just fanciful rhetoric: Some of the research now under way involves actually altering the genetic code of soldiers, modifying bits of DNA to fashion a new type of human specimen, one that functions like a machine, killing tirelessly for days and nights on end. These mutations will "revolutionize the contemporary order of battle" and guarantee "operational dominance across the whole range of potential U.S. military employments," the DARPA wizards enthuse.<br><br><br><br>
Of course, the Pentagon is not waiting on sci-fi technology to enhance the physical abilities of its warfighters; old-fashioned off-the-shelf "additives" have long been shoved down soldiers' throats. For example, the use of amphetamines for pilots has been widespread for decades; during the first Bush-Saddam War, whole squadrons were cranked up on the stuff. Not only is the gobbling of speed officially sanctioned, it's actively encouraged, even implicitly mandated -- careers can be derailed for pilots who refuse to drug themselves.<br><br><br><br>
The results of this dope-peddling were clearly seen on the new imperial frontier of Afghanistan last spring, when two U.S. pilots -- hopped up on speed -- killed four Canadian allies in a "friendly fire" bombing raid. The pilots, now facing legal charges, say Air Force brass pressured them into taking the mind-altering drug before the fatal flight.<br><br><br><br>
But such glitches are inevitable in any grand scientific undertaking, and DARPA remains undeterred in its bold quest to "push the limits of human input/output," advance the "symbiotic relationship between man and machine," and customize "pharmaceutical technology" to "embolden the warfighter and his superiors," as military scientists declared at a Pentagon-sponsored conference on future warfare.<br><br><br><br>
What happens to the burnt-out husks of these "iron" soldiers after their minds and bodies have been eaten way by relentless modification and ceaseless toil is, of course, of no concern to the Bush Regime. Even now, the White House is cutting back on health benefits to military veterans -- even going so far as to order veterans hospitals not to advertise their available services, lest broken soldiers actually seek to claim the promise of support their government once gave them. For men like Bush -- protected scions of privilege who sit out wars in safety, in booze-addled luxury -- such promises are just cynical sucker ploys, aimed at coaxing decent soldiers into acting as the hitmen of empire, then discarding them when they're no longer needed.<br><br><br><br>
How very strange it is: Those who want to turn American soldiers into mindless, drug-addled mutants and send them off to kill and die in far-flung wars of imperial conquest are seen as patriots, noble leaders, doing the will of God; while those who would rather see these good men and women called home, treated with honor and respect -- their talents and dedication applied solely to the defense of their own great country, not pressed into the service of a greedy, rapacious elite -- are denounced as "traitors," "anti-American agitators," "allies of terrorism."<br><br><br><br>
But such is the inversion of values -- the wisdom gone astray and turned to fell practice -- that now rules in Bush's Washington, and in the Pentagon's fiery crucibles of war.<br><br><br><br><i>Source:</i> <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/FLO301A.html" target="_blank">http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/FLO301A.html</a>
 
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