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I hear a lot of complaints about soy. People saying how it raises your estrogen, and in general how it's bad for you. Well, I've been eating soy for a long time. My mother has been a vegetarian for 40 years and also eats lots of soy. Nothing is wrong with either of us. I don't even buy the organic tofu, because I'm cheap, and my commissary doesn't carry it. Here's my thing, if you're so concerned about genetically engineered tofu, then just buy the organic. Also, about the 'estrogen', has anyone ever thought to have their doctor test their hormone levels? I went ahead and had my doctor do that and everything came back perfectly normal. Maybe you're going to say, "oh well I heard it doesn't affect women so much as men". Well, I had my veggie husband get tested as well and he's perfectly fine also. As far as the omnis are concerned, what about all the hormones they put in meat and dairy??<br><br><br><br>
Now, about not being able to find vegetarian food in the grocery store. I live on a military base, and you better believe that a commissary isn't the best place to find vegetarian friendly foods. Yet my husband and I do perfectly fine. Oh, and incase you're wondering, when he was deployed he got to have vegetarian MRE's (those instant meals). I tried one and it was pretty good. It takes me about 30 minutes to make a great meal from scratch, I have about 40 recipes in a binder that I use frequently. I figure it takes around 30 minutes to cook a frozen pizza in the oven anyway. Go to vegweb.com for some awesome recipes. Plus, my commissary does special orders for me. All I need is the UPC and quantity and they get it for me.<br><br><br><br>
Another complaint I hear is about how there's little options for vegetarians at fast food restaurants. Why the hell do you want to eat there anyway?? Aren't you trying to be healthy?? Why put that poison into your body. But to make you feel better you could always get a veggie sub from subway or quiznos, or veggie burgers from burger king. Oh, and the icing on the cake. A chain of restaurants called 'Organics to Go' is opening up, they already have about 10 of them. There will be vegetarian and vegan options and all the cups and things are recycled and biodegradable.
 

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I've been eating soy for 14 years and both of my heads agree that there's nothing wrong with it.<br><br><br><br>
I think I like my odds with estrogen better than my odds with mercury poisoning, salmonella, pathogenic E. coli, cholesterol, Listeria, etc.
 

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I think I like my odds with estrogen better than my odds with mercury poisoning, salmonella, pathogenic E. coli, cholesterol, Listeria, etc.</div>
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Plus, I fail to see the down side of growing man boobs. Well, I guess I'd have less free time <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wideeyed.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":boobies:"><br><br>
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I am against soy and have seen great results since eliminating it from my diet. It interfered with my thyroid as stated on the site of my prescript drug (interaction). Of course, I think processed foods are the devil <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/devil.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":devil:"><br><br><br><br>
Now, that being said. Soy in moderation I don't think has a negative effect on the majority of the population. And it is a great transition food when converting to the veg lifestyle.<br><br><br><br>
As far as fast food goes....I haven't had a problem when I first became veg. But now that I prefer organic foods, I steer far away from Fast Food. Someone used to the fast food lifestyle however, shouldn't use lack of options as an excuse. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/dozey.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":tired:">
 

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What can I say I love soy, would eat soy daily however kicking soy out of my diet has helped clear up painful symptoms of endometriosis , no it is not gone and prob never will be but I'm not laying on the floor wishing someone would just kill me now either.<br><br><br><br>
If your a person who can eat soy and be fine more power to you, but that dosnt mean it is not bad for others.<br><br><br><br>
As for finding veg*n foods in the store that depends on were you live, oddly enough the meat section here in San Antonio takes up most of the wall's (yes walls not wall) and yet the vegetarian special foods gets all of a 2 foot wide shelf, it has fake hotdogs, fake hamburgers and some fake cheese and fake butter.<br><br>
I have yet to see fake sour cream or any of those things other people talk about and I can shop on base also and have never seen them there either.( granted I have not gone to whole foods in a long time but it is 40 min away)<br><br>
Location is everything and for those that live in poulations were there is very little demand for veggie stuff you just will not find it.
 

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I also live far from a whole foods, and my commissary also has about 2 small shelves of vegetarian stuff out of the 4 aisles of frozen food. What I did was take a trip up to whole foods one day, and write down the name of the stuff I would like a long with the UPC codes. Stuff I couldn't find at whole foods I looked up online and called the companies to get the UPC codes. My commissary orders this stuff for me, and my understanding is that almost any grocery store will order things for you.<br><br><br><br>
Also, I'm sure that soy isn't for everyone, just as any food isn't for everyone. For example, I have a coconut intolerance, eating things with coconut in it makes me very sick. But I'm not out on a campaign against coconuts or telling people not to eat it. I'm sure if I googled "health benefits of coconuts" I'd find tons of stuff, just like if I googled, "dangers of coconuts" I'd find lots of other stuff too. My point is that I don't think people should go around having an irrational fear of soy because scare tactics on the local news got you all excited.<br><br><br><br>
A good example is this whole thing with spinach. I was over at my MIL's house and she was saying, "well, I was going to make you hot spinach dip, but I didn't want to give you ecoli" And I said, "yeah, but cooking the spinach will kill the ecoli anyway" And she says, "no no no, not THIS kind of ecoli!" What kind of ecoli is it? A magical ecoli? Cook it at atleast 160 degrees and the ecoli is dead. You just don't want to be eating raw spinach during an ecoli scare.
 

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I didn't know that the commisary would do that! I will have to remember to write down things. I wish we lived even a drive close to a decent health food store so it would help me with the upc thing. that will definitely help with getting foods that don't contain things my daughter is allergic to. Thanks!
 

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I don't see a problem with soy. Sure, it's not the best thing ever... But I eat it in moderation. Maybe 1-2 times a week.<br><br><br><br>
Then again, I'm not one of those people who is never going to eat sugar again because it's bad for you. If it tastes good and it's vegan, I'm going to eat it. Again, in moderation... But I see no point in eliminating soy completely from your diet (unless your body can't take it and has a bad reaction. Yeah. Then there's definitely a point).
 

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you should be able to look online for the products you want and then call the company for the upc codes. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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The problem I see again and again wrt to soy, is that people lump all the kinds of soy into one category. Edamame/soybeans or minimally processed things like tofu are not the same as soy protein isolate/veggie burgers, etc.
 

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Here's some things that my commissary orders for me. I keep trying to get the UPC for nasoya nayonnaise but nasoya will not call me back (damnit). All these things are veg*n. You can use these upc codes if you need them.<br><br><br><br>
Worthington Scallops, 20oz can-------------------------upc 2898923303<br><br><br><br>
Worthington Turkey Slices, 20oz can-------------------upc 2898923703<br><br><br><br>
Primal Strips Hickory Flavor, 4 oz bag-------------------upc 838455000050<br><br><br><br>
Vegan Grated Topping, Parmesan Flavor 4 oz can-------upc 077172640006<br><br><br><br>
Soyatoo Whipped Cream, 7oz can----------------------upc 7839700300<br><br><br><br>
Ener-G Egg Repalcer, 16oz box ------------------------upc 07511911244<br><br><br><br>
Tofutti, Better than Cream Cheese, Plain --------------upc 020188050109<br><br><br><br>
Tofutti, Better than Sour Cream, Plain -----------------upc 020188060108<br><br><br><br>
Logona Herbal Hair Color, Chestnut Brown--------------upc 4017645009639<br><br><br><br>
Jason Sunbrellas Spray SPF 26, 4oz--------------------upc 7852208314<br><br><br><br>
Jason Sunbrellas Facial Block SPF 20 4.5oz--------------upc 7852208327<br><br><br><br>
Jason Temptations Lip Tint, Passion 0.3 oz--------------upc 078522490005<br><br><br><br>
Aubrey Organics Natural Missst Hairspray, Regular-------upc 749985080590<br><br><br><br>
Aubrey Organics Jasmine Conditioner Spray--------------upc 749985041126
 

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To quote Darth Vader: Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!<br><br><br><br>
Get this if you can: <a href="http://www.followyourheart.com/vegenaise.php" target="_blank">Vegenaise</a>. Soooo much better.
 

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very true, i am jen.</div>
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I thought IamJen was Jen?<br><br><br><br>
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jeezy- I've never heard of vegenaise before, but it looks good. How is their 'gourmet cheese'? I think I'll call and get the upc's.
 

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jeezy- I've never heard of vegenaise before, but it looks good.</div>
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Nayonaise tastes like liquid sorrow by comparison.<br><br><br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">How is their 'gourmet cheese'? I think I'll call and get the upc's.</div>
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Check this <a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=61756" target="_blank">out.</a> <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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The Follow Your Heart cheese totally rocks. Some people hate it though. If I was at home, I'd read the UPCs off the labels for you.
 

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The problem I see again and again wrt to soy, is that people lump all the kinds of soy into one category. Edamame/soybeans or minimally processed things like tofu are not the same as soy protein isolate/veggie burgers, etc.</div>
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This is the third thread I've reponsed to today like this. I feel like such an idiot sometimes with this stuff. I am a newbie to vegan nutrition and I'm not sure what the difference is between those things listed above as far as soy goes. Can you explain a little more? Thanks!
 
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