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...................THIS IS AN ACTION ALERT.......................................

LAND OF THE FREE , THE PROUD AND THE BRAVE?

Many of you may know Prof. Roz Gruben as a raw food expert. She is from England, and is the partner of reknown raw food expert/author/lecturer Dr. Doug Graham. She was on her way to the US for summer conferences, etc.,

when this occurred...

I have just been through the most frightening and harrowing experience of

my life.

On June 25th I was entering the USA in order to travel with my beloved Doug to continue fulfilling our mission of spreading the Raw Vegan message.

We arrived at Newark airport in New York. Doug passes through immigration without a problem, but I was taken away by the immigration police.

For seven hours I was psychologically terrorised, disrespected, abused, insulted, shouted at, deliberately frightened and treated as if I were a murderer. They committed slander about my parents, whom they have never met nor seen. They took my full set of fingerprints and several photographs. They denied me access to a telephone and refused, for the most part, to allow me to ask any questions. Their terrorist tactics and psychological abuse eventually rendered me in such an emotionally distraught state that I vomited and had severe diarrhoea.

They found a sheet of stickers in my wallet that read 'Don't make a graveyard of your stomach'. One of the officers (a woman) then asked me if I was a vegetarian. I affirmed that I was and from that point on they were postively evil towards me.

I was neither allowed to see nor speak to Doug, who was doing all he could to free me from my torment. After some hours the police escorted him off the airport premises telling him that I would not be joining him and that there was nothing he could do. They marched me from room to room to be

subjected to further insults and demeaning treatment. I had two sets of photographs of me taken, two full sets of finger prints and was made to take an oath. I have had chemicals smeared onto my hands and my personal belongings were raped.

They bombarded me with ridiculous questions such as expecting me to remember the exact dates and details of my movements going back several years. When I told them that I did not remember they accused me of withholding information. They even asked me the date my library card had been issued of which, naturally, I had little recollection. In order to avoid being accused of withholding information I made a guess as to the

library card's issue date and, as it was incorrect, I was then accused of lying. Regardless of the truth I told them they accused me of lying. They have taken away my right to ever again enter the USA on a green 'waiver' form. The only way that I can enter in future is with a visa. They tell me that if I 'abuse' that by coming to the USA as frequently as I have been that they will also take that away and then I would also be in 'serious' trouble. I cannot bear the thought of Doug and I not being together. Nor can I bear to be separated from the commitments I had made

to voluntarily present and teach at the various raw and Vegan events this summer. I am not permitted to even begin the process of applying for a visa until August 5th 2003. I am very concerned for all the people I will be letting down by not being there to present. My head is in a spin.

If you are one of the organizers of such an event please do not strike me from your plans. With help this terrible wrong may be righted. I am currently working day and night to bring justice to my situation. I have NEVER stayed in the USA a day beyond that which I am entitled to. Yet they have deported me on those grounds. I honestly believe that my deportment is absolutely inappropriate and profoundly wrong.

If there is ANYTHING that you can offer in the way of help Doug and I will be eternally grateful. I have already been deeply touched by the number of friends in the USA who have rallied round. The violence and abuse that I experienced at the hands of the INS is a powerful demonstration of just how

sick humanity has become and how desperately needed the raw vegan message of peace and compassion really is.

I am currently at my home in England. I send you my blessings and hope that one day the human race will transcend their ego based power plays and arrive at a place where respect and reverence for all life is global and consistent. Rozi

Then today I got this email in from Dr. Graham...

Prof. Rozi Gruben has been denied access to visit the United States. She needs your help in order to continue her volunteer work.

This is what is required.

An email from you to her ([email protected]) with the following information:

Your name and full contact information.

A note, addressed to, "To whom it may concern"

A sentence or more expressing your belief and desire that Rozi Gruben be allowed to continue her volunteer work of teaching health information in the United States.

A sentence or more expressing why you believe that Rozi is the only person uniquely qualified to do the work she does. (This can be from any perspective you choose, be it her AR slant, her high level of fitness training qualifications, her highest level Natural Hygiene training, dance, raw foods, veganism, all of the above or any others of your choosing.

Thank you. We hope to have Rozi back in the US asap. Please feel free to forward this email to other boards.

In health,

Dr Doug Graham

Dr Doug Graham

President, Healthful Living International

http://www.FoodnSport.com

http://www.raw-vegan-diet.com

http://www.DoctorGraham.cc

http://www.calendar.yahoo.com/doctordouggraham

http://www.HealthfullLivingIntl.org

All raw, all the time, count on it.


An attack on one is an attack on all.
 

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A friend of mine traveling to LA from NYC was subjected to the Patriot Act when her screenplay notes alarmed her seat neighbor. Her experience was evidently less invasive and tormenting, but she was out of touch without a phone for a couple of days, frightening her and her family. Scary stuff. Welcome to the Gestapo.
 

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"They even asked me the date my library card had been issued of which, naturally, I had little recollection."

*makes note not to take library card when visiting US*

I think it's sad that the people in the US have given away their rights. But I suppose that I have a wrongfull (european) view on this ?
 

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"They even asked me the date my library card had been issued of which, naturally, I had little recollection."

*makes note not to take library card when visiting US*

I think it's sad that the people in the US have given away their rights. But I suppose that I have a wrongfull (european) view on this ?
How are we to know what this person says is true? I know *you* will automatically believe it, but we also know you believe whatever you hear on the radio without question also.

Nope, I haven't lost any of my rights.
 

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God bless Amerika for the ability to express different points of view in public.

Soon even that may be taken away.
 

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As Tame said, I don't know if this really happened like this person recollected. There could also be more information we're not given as to why they pulled her aside, etc

I certainly didn't give away any of my rights. If I have less rights now then I did a couple years ago, then they were taken away before anything else.

I write emails to all of my representatives and senators to let them know how I feel about issues, I go to protests and act responsibly, and alongside voting, that's all I can really do.
 

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Originally posted by Oatmeal

If these things get more frequent, eventually there will be a backlash against it.
By then the riot squad will pin the communist, pot smoking, tree hugging punks, against the wall, "read them their rights" and put them in prison.

 

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We all have Congress to thank for this nightmare.

Epski's right, welcome to the Gestapo and the beginnings of the Nazi States of America.

Sorry about your problems, may I apologize on behalf of all the GOOD people of this country who are against all this stuff.
 

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The USAPATRIOT-act of 2001 is an ill- or over-effective piece of panic legislature to begin with in my opinion.

1) Its definition of terrorism is too wide.

2) It allows the FBI to invade any person's privacy in various ways without having to obtain judicial approval first (even in non-terrrorism cases).

Inter arma silent leges
 

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This has been posted to the Raw & Sports Forum of VegSource by Dr. Doug Graham.

In short, his partner, Prof. Roz Gruben, received a visa and will be able enter the U.S. legally, live with him and work there. I'm very happy for both of them, as they both are wonderful persons and very successful in helping others adopt a healthy lifestyle.

I can't say enough good things about Dr. Graham, his research and work in the area of nutrition and sports.

It's good this has been resolved. I expected it would.


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Rozi's Thanks

To our Angel- friends who made it possible......

It is with absolute joy and a profoundly heartfelt gratitude that we bring you our wonderful news.

Yesterday, August 5th, the American Embassy in London have granted Rozihs a visa!

This means that for the next ten years she can legally attempt to re-enter the United States so that we may remain united and continue our teaching mission together.

This was made possible by all the efforts of supportive friends such as yourself.

Many of you wrote powerful and influential letters to both the Embassy and to Congress. Others of you prayed for a positive outcome, and most sent personal communications to Rozihs offering support, encouragement and advice.

Every single one of your efforts counted. You transformed a crisis into a rich opportunity to demonstrate the power of good intent that can be created when we all unite together as one voice, one prayer and one action. Without your help the chances of us being reunited and given the freedom to continue serving together as health educators would have been slim to none.

Our immense appreciation comes to you in the form of an "e-mail hug" across the miles that are now only a temporary separation of us.

Let it be known in your heart that the raw vegan way of life reaches far deeper into the essence of the human experience than the shallow depths of personal health. The journey to true compassion for all life is fuelled by foods that neither cloud the mind nor dull the senses. Until murder, terrorism, rape and torture are no longer the breakfast, lunch and dinner of the masses none of us are shielded from the manifestations of their individual, or collective inner wars such as Rozihs experienced at Newark airport on June 25th.

It is going to take a critical mass to bring about the shifts necessary for salvation of the human soul and true preservation of our natural world and freedom. We feel a connection between you and us that is beyond words. It is a connection built upon an understanding of how trivial much of our daily distractions are, compared to the necessity of the powerful raw vegan example that we set by "walking our talk".

Please know, without any shadow of doubt, that what you choose to put in your shopping cart, on your table and in your mouth is more influential to the healing of our world than any political vote you might make. Consumerism is not just about food but includes all things that we take into ourselves and incorporate into our being. This includes, thoughts, forms of entertainment, interactions with other humans and all other aspects of daily living. We encourage you to reach out to others with your own habits rather than demonstrating disapproval of theirs. The sleeping cannot be awakened until their eyes see that dawn is breaking. Whisper not into their ears of all that you reject but hold up in front of them all that you embrace. Let the light of your awakened and compassionate heart be that dawn light awakening them from their unconsciousness.

If you have found the raw vegan path then you have been chosen to lead the way. Know this and walk with strength and grace towards the creation of world peace.

Let us all see a day when immigration officers are driven by the power of their inner light of compassion and kindness rather than their fear-based and consequently power-crazed egos.

We both look forward to meeting up with you at the various raw events during the remainder of this memorable year and beyond.

Your are RAWSOME!

Holding a vision of world peace and authentic freedom for all.

Blessings

Rozihsx and Doug
 

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Tell me about it! Each time I enter the US, I am being interrogated like a criminal... about stuff that - in my eyes - is nobody's business.

That's right, Tame, how are they supposed to know if we tell the truth? Why don't they force us to take a lie detector test then??

I think it is unfair, because when Americans enter Germany, they are being treated with the same courtesy as the Germans.

No interrogation, no deportation (the sound of it makes me think of Russia after WWII!!!) .. so WTF!!!!???

Oh, and - err - about your rights: Let's say you want to read a book on the Middle East, and go to a public library... hey .. big brother will know about it because the public libraries in the US have to give out this type of info now. And then some guys dressed in black come and take you into custody so they can interrogate you on your "plans", since they have evidence of it (the book)!! It's just incredible!

I have grown up in a country where there was no freedom of NOTHING. Where parents are afraid to talk about anything in front of their kids, because they might end up in prison. Where citizens were spying on each other and were denouncing each other! Sounds like what happened to epski's friend on the plane, if you ask me.

rant over
 

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This is awful, I doubt the constitutionality of such tactics. You yanks have this thing called a fourth amendment, and I'm sure that it could be applied in this case.

As every day goes by, I grow even more convinced that the government is not good, because of similar stories I hear.

And hey, Orwell's prediction was only 19 years out.
 

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Oh, and - err - about your rights: Let's say you want to read a book on the Middle East, and go to a public library... hey .. big brother will know about it because the public libraries in the US have to give out this type of info now. And then some guys dressed in black come and take you into custody so they can interrogate you on your "plans", since they have evidence of it (the book)!! It's just incredible!
There was a man who was arrested for viewing (and printing) internetsites on how to make a bomb in a library......
 
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