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My question is this: As a financially struggling young adult, is it acceptable for me, turning vegan, to consume the foods that I have in my fridge that aren't vegan, or even vegetarian friendly (the spaghetti and meatballs I made last night, or the Becel margarine or Mini-Wheats on my shelf)? My formerly veg sister said that it's about transition, for instance, that I can't just strip my wardrobe and spend thousands of dollars on clothing that was made without slaughtering animals or exploiting other human beings. Opinions?
 

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I think it is fine to use up non-vegan products you have around the house. You have already purchased them, which is where the real damage is done. I went vegetarian over 3 years ago, and I still have some leather shoes hanging around.
 

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Just eat it; they've already been purchased and wasting it is even worse, means the animals died for nothing. Besides, you're financially struggling so wasting food would be even worse. Just eat it until it's finished and then replace it with vegan products.
 

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Lets look at it this way I and my husband been through alot of crisis this year and I am far behind of transition, I should be further by now but I had several set back. Maybe in 2012 I'll have a better year of getting my lifestyle changed. Don't feel bad you have to finish up what you have in the house.
 

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My question is this: As a financially struggling young adult, is it acceptable for me, turning vegan, to consume the foods that I have in my fridge that aren't vegan, or even vegetarian friendly (the spaghetti and meatballs I made last night, or the Becel margarine or Mini-Wheats on my shelf)? My formerly veg sister said that it's about transition, for instance, that I can't just strip my wardrobe and spend thousands of dollars on clothing that was made without slaughtering animals or exploiting other human beings. Opinions?</div>
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Clothes; Wear 'em out. Damage already done.<br><br>
Damage already technicaly done with the food products too. Personaly from the second I turned veggie I would have died rather than allow one further scrap of the meat industries filth to pass my lips though.<br><br>
Just an idea but is there anyone you can swap your non vegan stuff for vegan stuff that they have?
 

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If you became a vergan for animals,it's certainly acceptable.You have already bought them,wasting them doesn't do anything good to animals.IF you do feel aweful of eating them,it's better to exchang them with neibours or feed dogs on them than to throw them into dustbin.
 

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Thank you both, especially for your comment about them dying for nothing, Windigo.</div>
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No problem, that's how I feel about it. If it really makes you feel bad, try to share the foods or give them away to needy people or your friends.
 

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Personaly from the second I turned veggie I would have died rather than allow one further scrap of the meat industries filth to pass my lips though. Just an idea but is there anyone you can swap your non vegan stuff for vegan stuff that they have?</div>
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That's exactly how I felt, and didn't eat anything other than the good, fresh fruit I had in the fridge for the first day after making my decision. I don't have a lot of groceries at the moment, so it won't take much longer for it to all get swapped out. Thankfully. As for your question, sadly, no. But! I did locate a very excellent vegan shop just a handful of streets away. I'm gonna check it out tomorrow, and I'm very excited for it!<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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it's better to exchang them with neibours or feed dogs on them than to throw them into dustbin.</div>
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If I lived with my family dog, I wouldn't force her to eat what isn't acceptable for me to eat, I see the sheer wrong-doing in that. My cats are going vegan (save what they hunt themselves) when I visit my family in a few weeks.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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No problem, that's how I feel about it. If it really makes you feel bad, try to share the foods or give them away to needy people or your friends.</div>
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I actually killed two packages of dessert tonight, made my roommate a whole lot of cake 'n pudding.
 

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<div class="quote-block">If I lived with my family dog, I wouldn't force her to eat what isn't acceptable for me to eat, I see the sheer wrong-doing in that. My cats are going vegan (save what they hunt themselves) when I visit my family in a few weeks.</div>
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I understand,many vegans want their pets be vegans, too, and so am I. But I don't want force a carnivore to be a vegan,this is one reason why I don't keep a dog. It's said cats are harder to be vegans than dogs, your cats are lovely.
 

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I understand,many vergans want their pets be vergans, too, and so am I. But I don't want force a carnivore to be a vergan,this is one reason why I don't keep a dog. It's said cats are harder to be vergans than dogs, your cats are lovely.</div>
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Cats, chemically, find the transition more difficult because of a change in pH, so I've read. Also, a lot of vegan cat foods previously didn't have enough Taurine, something essential for kitties. 'Cause of the pH difficulties, a lot of cats develop crystals in their bladders, but females can pass those more easily than males, due to a smaller urethra... I'm just parroting what I've read recently. I assume your mentioning my lovely cat is because you've been to my profile. That's Emma, and she was put to sleep in February because of renal failure, a condition I attribute to her cat food, which I had, not long previous, changed, thinking it would be more healthy, more "natural". With her death on my conscience, I hope to do better with her adopted siblings.
 

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Having passed kidney stones, I would never put my pet through that via my own actions of changing their diet. Are you sure you want to or that it's a risk you're willing to take?
 

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Cats, chemically, find the transition more difficult because of a change in pH, so I've read. Also, a lot of vegan cat foods previously didn't have enough Taurine, something essential for kitties. 'Cause of the pH difficulties, a lot of cats develop crystals in their bladders, but females can pass those more easily than males, due to a smaller urethra... I'm just parroting what I've read recently. I assume your mentioning my lovely cat is because you've been to my profile. That's Emma, and she was put to sleep in February because of renal failure, a condition I attribute to her cat food, which I had, not long previous, changed, thinking it would be more healthy, more "natural". With her death on my conscience, I hope to do better with her adopted siblings.</div>
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Sorry to hear this. Wish you good luck and wish your cats happy lives.
 

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Please Please PLEASE do not try to force an unnatural diet on your cat! Yes, cats may subsist on a veg diet, but that's all it is -- no different from you living off fast food and potato chips for the rest of your life! Cats are CARNIVORES. Their bodies are made to best process raw meat ripped straight from the bone. They may be seen eating a vegetable here and there, but some cats also eat doritos and cheetos... just because they will eat it does not mean it's good for them!<br><br>
Cats need meat to thrive. IMO, taking the chance to thrive from another living being is just as bad, if not worse than killing it. IF you can't, in good conscience, give the cat what it needs, than give the cat to someone who can, and get yourself an herbivore companion.
 

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Please Please PLEASE do not try to force an unnatural diet on your cat! Yes, cats may subsist on a veg diet, but that's all it is -- no different from you living off fast food and potato chips for the rest of your life! Cats are CARNIVORES. Their bodies are made to best process raw meat ripped straight from the bone. They may be seen eating a vegetable here and there, but some cats also eat doritos and cheetos... just because they will eat it does not mean it's good for them!<br><br>
Cats need meat to thrive. IMO, taking the chance to thrive from another living being is just as bad, if not worse than killing it. IF you can't, in good conscience, give the cat what it needs, than give the cat to someone who can, and get yourself an herbivore companion.</div>
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You just explained how unnatural a regular cat food diet is for a cat. Cats, in the wild, <i>do</i> rip meat right from the bone. Cat food, at least to me, hardly resembles a chunk of raw flesh. "just because they will eat it does not mean it's good for them!" is a very, very true statement. Cat food these days contains the remains of the cutting room floor from slaughterhouses, all the animals who died of disease and infection, not to mention the cats and dogs who are euthanized at animal shelters.<br><br>
Cats and dogs suffer the same way humans do from a carnivorous diet, at least with the crap we feed them. <a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=veggie-cat-food" target="_blank">Here</a> is a decent article about the argument between veg cat food and the other stuff.<br><br>
There's a recent <a href="http://www.vegepets.info/assets/Vegetarian%20Cat%20Study%20Wakefield%20et%20al%202006%20JAVMA.pdf" target="_blank">study</a> released indicating that veg cats experienced few (if any) adverse affects from being fed such a diet.<br><br>
It's my belief that Emma's renal failure was brought on by the food she was consuming. She was only 6, a baby, as far as I'm concerned, and should have been allowed to live much, much longer.<br><br>
The stuff I wrote about, the need for Taurine (found in animals), is true, and veg cat foods have enough Taurine to supply for the cat's need. As for the pH, causing stones, the fix for that is to test the cat's urine, make sure it's in the proper range, and take them to the vet for check-ups more frequently, the latter of which anyway, is something that should be happening anyway.
 

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You just explained how unnatural a regular cat food diet is for a cat. Cats, in the wild, <i>do</i> rip meat right from the bone. Cat food, at least to me, hardly resembles a chunk of raw flesh. "just because they will eat it does not mean it's good for them!" is a very, very true statement. Cat food these days contains the remains of the cutting room floor from slaughterhouses, all the animals who died of disease and infection, not to mention the cats and dogs who are euthanized at animal shelters.<br><br>
Cats and dogs suffer the same way humans do from a carnivorous diet, at least with the crap we feed them. <a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=veggie-cat-food" target="_blank">Here</a> is a decent article about the argument between veg cat food and the other stuff.<br><br>
There's a recent <a href="http://www.vegepets.info/assets/Vegetarian%20Cat%20Study%20Wakefield%20et%20al%202006%20JAVMA.pdf" target="_blank">study</a> released indicating that veg cats experienced few (if any) adverse affects from being fed such a diet.<br><br>
It's my belief that Emma's renal failure was brought on by the food she was consuming. She was only 6, a baby, as far as I'm concerned, and should have been allowed to live much, much longer.<br><br>
The stuff I wrote about, the need for Taurine (found in animals), is true, and veg cat foods have enough Taurine to supply for the cat's need. As for the pH, causing stones, the fix for that is to test the cat's urine, make sure it's in the proper range, and take them to the vet for check-ups more frequently, the latter of which anyway, is something that should be happening anyway.</div>
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First of all, let me point out that I NEVER said that kibble was a good choice for cat nutrition! The majority of pet foods are complete and utter crap. The ones that are a bit higher par and more nutritionally balance, well, there's still not so very good. I am a definite advocate for FOOD. Real food.<br><br>
Now, as to your first article -- It doesn't really say anything other than "the doctors say it's bad... the makers say it's good." Sorry, doesn't float for me.<br><br>
Concerning the study listed -- Well, I have a personal distaste for the Nestle/Purina company and, having worked in the petfood industry, have trouble believing anything that comes from them. Sorry, I just know that their studies have been shown to be lies more than once (not saying that this one definitely is, just that I have a bias against the backing company that definitely sways my opinion, so I am going to back away from it).<br><br>
Yes, cats definitely need Taurine, but there are also 10 other amino acids that are "essential" to them. Are you sure that your veg. food is providing for those? Not to mention that cats are not physically equipped to digest plant material. They lack the basics such as salivary amylase (which breaks down starch), their pancreatic and intestinal amylase is also VERY low. Not to mention the fact that a cat's ability to break down sugars is practically non existent. They just don't have the proper amount of digestive enzymes to do the job of breaking down fruits and vegetable and turning them into energy. They are made to break down proteins from meat sources.<br><br>
On another note, I'm not so sure about cats, but I know that the top food allergens for dogs are corn, wheat, soy, and chicken (basically the first 4 ingredients in most commercial pet foods, also the most genetically tampered with... go figure). I personally would not feed anything containing any of these products without knowing that they were organic. Who knows what genetic material has been mixed in...<br><br>
When it comes down to it, she is dependent on your for her livelihood. It's your call. Just make sure you're doing it for the cat, and not for yourself. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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When it comes down to it, she is dependent on your for her livelihood. It's your call. Just make sure you're doing it for the cat, and not for yourself. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"></div>
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She was, yes. Now her siblings are. I'm headed for more research, as a diet change shouldn't happen until the knowledge has seeped into my brain. If the healthiest alternative was to go out and hunt their food for them, I'd do that, an obviously unvegan thing to consider. I just know that cats don't naturally eat bovine, pig, large chickens, tuna, and other fish not in my fish tank, not to mention scraps from the slaughter-room floor and euthanized/gassed animals from shelters.
 

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When I stopped eating meat I stopped completely. I had some things around the house that were non-vegetarian/vegan. Just speaking for myself, I didn't want them, wouldn't eat them, couldn't eat them. I still have a couple of cans of chicken that I don't know what to do with.<br><br>
I say, if you can and will eat it, eat it. Everyone is different. I'm the cold turkey kind of person. When I decide to do something I have to be all in. Going halfway for me is a recipe for failure. I would say that whatever you decide to do, avoid the guilt trap. Guilt wont help anything. Be good to yourself. Some folks ease into a thing, others just jump in. There is no right or wrong way.
 

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My question is this: As a financially struggling young adult, is it acceptable for me, turning vegan, to consume the foods that I have in my fridge that aren't vegan, or even vegetarian friendly (the spaghetti and meatballs I made last night, or the Becel margarine or Mini-Wheats on my shelf)? My formerly veg sister said that it's about transition, for instance, that I can't just strip my wardrobe and spend thousands of dollars on clothing that was made without slaughtering animals or exploiting other human beings. Opinions?</div>
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It's up to you, but I couldn't do it. Even tho going vegan is a transitional process, once I decided to do it, I was no longer comfortable about eating the vegetarian food such as milk and cheese that I had left in the fridge.<br>
I don't say milk and cheese to offend vegetarians either, it's just that I didn't go from omni to vegan.
 

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She was, yes. Now her siblings are. I'm headed for more research, as a diet change shouldn't happen until the knowledge has seeped into my brain. If the healthiest alternative was to go out and hunt their food for them, I'd do that, an obviously unvegan thing to consider. I just know that cats don't naturally eat bovine, pig, large chickens, tuna, and other fish not in my fish tank, not to mention scraps from the slaughter-room floor and euthanized/gassed animals from shelters.</div>
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Cats have been bred for domesticaltion. They are not wild animals, yet have the same basic needs, and lack most of the survival instincts, as well as health safeguards that protect wild cats. House cats don't have the constitution of their relatives.<br>
I hope your focus on living vegan will lead you to understand it's about not exploiting animals. I get that most cat foods are unnatural in source, but it's not hard to find better quality that still focuses on dietary needs. When you take a cat into your care you've committed yourself to an animal that in itself is removed from nature. Much like the chickens bred to have the most breast meat can't stand on it's own legs.<br>
Attempting to formulate a vegan diet for cats bothers me most in that it's not feasible in the long run. You'll get the shelters the ability to afford it, it would be a selfish personal goal on your part. It just isn't sustainable.<br>
And it's very much animal testing.<br>
If you want to provide a more humane diet for your cats, check out the organic cat foods, or make your own.<br>
Maybe this will help:<br><a href="http://www.carnivoresdilemma.net/weblog/homemade-cat-food.html" target="_blank">http://www.carnivoresdilemma.net/web...-cat-food.html</a><br><br>
I personally buy California Naturals for mine.<br><br>
I don't know your area, but the small animals you allow you cat to prey on may contain parasites cats would need treatment for. Is that medicine vegan?<br>
Do you check outside water for giardia, or other parasites?<br><br>
I've been through so much with cat rescues I can't be okay with their outside life. I am in a suburan area in the U.S., so I can't speak for other places.
 
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