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You're probably aware that when it comes to additives, I have plenty to complain about. So i thought I'd start a thread about additives. This is the thread for whining about additives, say how cool they are, or to just talk about natural food in general.<br><br><br><br>
Now, my first rant is related to vegetarianism. We usually get these jello-thingies in a pot. they're made by rowntrees, who aren't owned by Nestlé anymore, apparently. Anyhow, it said "No artificial colours" on the side. This could be a good thing, because at the moment, many companies are striving to get rid of artificial colours in their products, after a TV documentary slammed all sorts of additives. So they've gone down the "Natural colours" route. Now, these jello-thingies seem to have been developed so that they don't contain gelatin. As you may know, avoiding gelatin is a good idea because it brings in vegetarian customers. However, it's pretty pointless to take the trouble not to put gelatin in when you put other animal products in. - You see, they added carmine. This is a natural colour.<br><br><br><br>
Now, this might be a gamble worth paying off. You'll lose the vegetarian demographic but all the concerned parents worried about hyperactive kids will buy the product, won't they?<br><br><br><br>
Possibly. It's listed as "carmine" and not as "E120" because when these concerned parents see the E's, they turn off. However, carmine is known for promoting violent hyperactive reactions. It's not as bad as tartrazine, but it's one of the 39 additives that are known to provoke hyperactivity:<br><br><br><br>
In short: The product fails to meet the needs of either the type of customer they've engineered the product towards. They're hoping that vegetarains will be happy that it's gelatin-free and that additive-bashers will be happy that it's a natural colour. If you want to know what product to avoid, then don't purchase "Del monte fruitini strawberry jelly with peach pieces."<br><br><br><br><br><br>
My second thing about additives is that I don't see why they bother sometimes. The perfect example is pita bread. I'm prepare to pay premium prices for decent pita bread. It's 73p for six, and it's just flour, water yeast and salt. They're big enough to fit a good amount of falafels in, and they taste excellent. then you can go for the crap stuff, at 39p for six, which are so small you can't fit anything in, taste rubbish and have a hundred and one additives. Their shelf life isn't any longer than the non-crap pitas, so why bother with the additives. When will these people l;earn that "flour improvers" actually make the flour all gritty and make it taste all sh*tty?<br><br><br><br>
My third rant is that they're being labelled by name rather than by their number now. The hyperactivity worries that Trevor McDonald started have made lots of additives go undercover as regular ingredients. Since they have a hundred names, it's harder to spot them.<br><br><br><br>
I hope this is on the right board. I started an additive thread on the health & nutrtion board, but that was mainly on the health aspects. This is more on the use of additives in general.
 

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We don't use the E numbers here, so when you look at a list of ingredients, you are staring at a bunch of words you can't pronounce... it's terrible. We can't seem to buy ANY breads (rolls, muffins, loaves, or buns) at "normal" grocery stores because they're loaded with junk. That is one of the reasons I bought a bread machine (one of my best purchases *ever*)<br><br><br><br>
It makes me SO angry that we have bastardized our food supply. Sorry for the language but I hate it. We don't educate people about proper nutrition, so they buy things like cereal bars and whole wheat bread, thinking they are nutritious but without reading the labels. If they actually read what they are eating (and understood what everything was), I'd suspect they'd be appalled. (or maybe not - many people i know just don't care!)<br><br><br><br>
Loki, we haven't yet gotten to the point that people care about additives in food. not the majority of people, anyway. They'll eat anything. I am horrified when I go to the "normal" grocery store & look at what people are buying - carts full of hormone-filled meat, sugary cereals, bags of chips (crisps), sodas, crackers... it's all junk! Our food tastes the way it does because of additives, not because of the flavor of the ingredients (like the flour & other 'normal' stuff). It is no surprise that when people try 'natural' foods they think they are disgusting and bland. Well YEAH, because they're used to eating food laden with chemicals!<br><br><br><br>
i hate it. sorry to go off!<br><br><br><br>
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The "food" in a conventional grocery store seems like the farthest thing from real food to me as well. I look through my mom's cabinets and pantry and fridge when I'm at her house, and I'm so disgusted. The only real food in her house is a bag of grapes and a bag of carrots usually. Everything else is sh*t. My parents have and always will be Tang drinkers! Drives me crazy....<br><br><br><br>
I am trying to be more aware of additives that seem to be in veggie convenience foods now too. I need to do more reading on this. I am going to try to find that other post by Loki.
 

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"bastardized" isn't a bad word. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
Additives are. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">
 

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I don't mind the word ******* at all. I don't mind ****, **** or even ****. So don't feel bad about saying "bastardized"<br><br><br><br>
All the additives out there makes it harder to be vegetarian since half the time, they could be derived from animal or plant sources. But also, I don't like the fact that there's so much crap in food today. There was a time when buying bread meant that you purchased a loaf which was simply wheat, yeast and a few other ingredients. but nowadays, the average loaf is full of L-cysteine hydrochloride, mono and diglycerides and a hundred others. I just think "THAT'S NOT FOOD!!!" It'd be great if we could go back to the days when food was food. Simple food, without all this crap in it. Additives don't seem to do any good. And they're not necessary in most cases.
 

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I have to agree here. Most of the time, I make my own bread because I don't like having to read through a paragraph of food additives, nor do I want to ingest that stuff. I do buy pitas. I make my own burger buns all of the time and now I make my own "burgers". Mark still eats bought bread and I do on occasion. I need a bread maker! I hate it because there are reds in Sobes<br><br>
cochineal... and I can't have them :p I personally think vegan foods taste way better than their processed counterparts. It makes me sad that people don't know what they are really eating, like my friends at work did not know that lard was in a lot of pastries and sugar was processed through bone char, etc.<br><br>
They say what I eat is gross and I say, "Well, I guess you don't think it is gross you just ate an animal carcass and it is rotting in your intestines". That gets them every time <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"> Shannon
 

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i am such a lucky girl right now because i work in an organic bakery so i know the bread i eat is all good with no added ****e.<br><br><br><br>
i totally understand your frustrations, loki and co. it drives me nuts whenever i see a product on the shelves which should be simple, but have totally UNNECESSARY stuff...<br><br><br><br>
biscuits are one that drives me nuts. i'm not much of a biscuit fan (or cookies, whatever!), but just the other day i stopped to check a pack of very plain crackers and they had beef fat in them! i mean... puh-leeeeeeeeeeeeeeese...<br><br><br><br>
even my carnivore hubby shakes his head a the absurdity.<br><br><br><br>
oh yeah, i once did a stint working at pizza hut (don't ask... depserate times...) and the garlic bread had beef fat...<br><br><br><br>
there are so many examples as we all know...<br><br><br><br>
the worst is decoding those numbers... even if they are vegan, many times i don't buy a product because i'm not 100% sure that number whatever is ok...<br><br><br><br>
so the manufacturers are just dojng themselves a disservice. i don't understand where the economic benefirs are for them either.<br><br><br><br>
what i DO know is that my local abbatoir here makes more money from animal byproducts than it does meat. i'm having an exhibiiton later in the year (i'm a mixed media artist) and i'm using images of these not so nice places to make people think about what they consume, and the local abbatoir boss told me that when i went to visit and take some shots (a very confronting day for me... the slaughter rooms are no longer used due to economic constraints, but those bare rooms were enough to make me feel ill.. it was very spooky, and actually images of these are more effective than blood and gore because it leaves the imagination to fill in the rest..........<br><br><br><br>
anyway, i've gone way off topic, sorry....<br><br><br><br>
additives suck. nuff said
 

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Here's a nice website about food additives (the ones with the E's, that might not be labeled that way) <a href="http://www.foodag.com/" target="_blank">Foodag</a><br><br><br><br>
I don't like additives either. I have stopped researching every single thing on the ingredients list because I have realized that there is almost no addities out there that don't do something negative to you. So now I just avoid anything that I can't pronounce or that I have never heard of before, or that sounds like an inedible chemical.<br><br><br><br>
I usually just buy any kind of grain in bulk (and whole if possible), eat fruits and veggies unprocessed, have crackers made only from grain and salt, make dips and spreads myself, etc. It's much nicer knowing what exactly you are putting inside of you, instead of having some weird product with a brightly colored package that says "eat me and you'll be happy". Happy? Drugged up I say!
 

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hey all-<br><br><br><br>
thanks for that link Veganna- i will have to check that out!<br><br><br><br>
i just finished this book a couple of weeks ago that has really opened my eyes to food additives and the direct link to our health, i would highly reccomend it to anyone interested in reading some good info on the subject!<br><br><br><br>
CRAZYMAKERS-How the Food Industry is Destroying our brains and Harming Our Children By;CArol Simontacchi
 

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Yay, I just searched our libary page and they have the book, I'll check it out soon! I can't wait to read it <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> thank you aprilmoonflower!
 

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Excellent - I've got a little following here. I beg for the days when all you needed to make bread was flour, yeast, water and salt (And an oven!) rather than a hundred different additives.<br><br><br><br>
Thanks for that site veganna. It's definitely worth a look. I'm extremely pissed off because the Uk is about the only place that hasn't banned soke of the additives. Uk manufacturers are free to put whatever crap they want into food that i'll be eating. This iste is more appealing than the other list of E-nubers (The site design.) i'll definitely recommend it to anyone I know of who is interested in additive-free living.<br><br><br><br>
Anyway, I don't cut out all additives. i simply avoid them whenever I can. But in the future, i'll definitely look at avoiding more additives. Hopefully, if demand for additive-laden food goes down, then they'll stop producing it.
 

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veganna-great! you will enjoy this book and there's even menu's and chapters on everything from prnatal health to adult and the effects...lot's of studies,etc..let me know what you think!<br><br><br><br>
i don't think it's any better in here in the states Loki...i'm not sure what the regulations are but from what i've read it's pretty lax as these companies have POWER and $$$$! what's even more sickening (and scary) is how the public school system is given millions of $$'s in incentives to put soda & vending machines in school's and sell fast food! it's an outrage!! especially when no emphasis is put on nutrition at all!i think it's just really sad people don't even think about what they're eating! (through no fault of thier own as it's what we're taught) if it's sold at the grocery store it's safe right??? I mean that's what the general public thinks it seems anyhow...what a farce!<br><br><br><br>
what really makes me even angrier is the fact that these companies TRICK people into thinking they are eating healthy by labeling thier food "all natural" (which we all know means nothing really), it's truly misleading to the public..not to mention a disservice.<br><br><br><br>
ok sorry for ranting...
 

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Hehe, rant, rant. Everyone rant! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
Loki - I skimmed through some of the additive lists on the page and some additives are not really a problem. I suppose if you add a desirable vitamin or mineral to a food (such as calcium or B vitamins) then that's no danger to health (or is it? I'm not 100% sure). Also, it's impossible (I think) to find nut or grain milks without "gums" added and I think those are additives too. Maybe I'll take up making my own rice or oat milk <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
I think we should all just try to eat foods as close to their natural state as possible. And yeah, I suppose heating you can do (oatmeal, don't hit me <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">), but just nothing that comes in bright boxes, or that comes in tetra pack (that's just polluting the environment anyway, how about glass?). You can never avoid anything, but I think it's safe to stick to bulk-wholegrains, fresh fruit and veggies, plain dry beans in the bag, and nuts and sees from the bulk too <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> The produce and bulk section are my favorite parts of the grocery store anyway <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> And they're the safest too.<br><br>
But then again, I start wondering what happens with the sulfite they put on grapes, or the wax they put on apples, ... but i think there's a limit, we can't avoid EVERYthing.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by aprilmoonflower</i><br><br><b>what really makes me even angrier is the fact that these companies TRICK people into thinking they are eating healthy by labeling thier food "all natural" (which we all know means nothing really), it's truly misleading to the public..not to mention a disservice.</b></div>
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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/shocked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":eek:"> A SPORK!!!!??? May I buy one of your rocks, sir?
 

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Yeah. Not all additives are bad. Ascorbic acid is used as a flour treatment agent. Ascorbic acid is another name for vitamin C. But the main bad ones are the artificial colours, as they aren't necessary in food and aren't good for you. It's one of those things where you've gotta do research.
 

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Natural......yeah right.<br><br><br><br>
This floor wax is made out of 100% natural waxes and oils.<br><br><br><br>
(contains parrafine)<br><br><br><br>
I wouldn't call motoroil "natural", but technically it is.
 
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