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Just wondering if anybody has had success with following the plan in Dr. Barnard's books. I read all the books and found them very interesting, but he discourages tracking/logging calories and the chronic dieter in me is very alarmed by this <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> Of course, the chronic tracking does not seem to actually be helping me to lose weight...<br><br>
Dr. Barnard says we should eat whatever we want to, in whatever quantities to satisfy us, and the only rules we have to follow are no animal products, no added oils and no sugary, processed foods...
 

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I LOVE<LOVE<LOVE his, McDougall's and Esselstynes way of thinking! yes, it totally works! keep in mind that carbs should be complex though, meaning whole grains, like whole wheat bread, brown rice, ww couscous, wheatberries, barley, quinoa, rolled or steel oats, other grains, and of course nutrient dense vegetables.....the more fiber you eat, the fuller you'll feel, decreasing the need to track calories. one of the best vegetables on the planet is the sweet potato, amongst green leafy veggies. Frankly, I eat more veggies than I do grain carbs, but just listed them for you.<br><br>
I'm only like 3-5 lbs away from my total weight loss- i keep adding a few more pounds to it till I get where I think I should be, and while most of it hasn't been this way of eating, I can certainly tell on days if I don't watch the fat content or sugar intake for the day. once you get used to cooking and baking, it's not hard to live by it, except when you go out to eat. Then you need to ask for special dishes at restaurants.<br><br>
do you use the fatfreevegan.com website and her blog? do you have the Happy Herbivore cookbook? (No added oils, and vegan and she has another cookbook coming out this fall too), or <a href="http://www.fatfree.com" target="_blank">www.fatfree.com</a> ? make sure you limit your nuts too, don't go overboard, and make sure you get your Tbsp of flax seed in daily. Do you drink green smoothies?<br><br>
My sister went on a vegan diet almost nearly a month ago with a cancer diagnosis, and the weight is just dropping off of her, and she too was a chronic dieter and loved her sweets. She can't believe how good she feels following the whole food, plant based,no added oil diet.....feel free to ask any more questions! ( I owe my whole experience with these Dr's to Papyamon on here, if he ever comes back to visit)
 

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^^seconding everything jess said above. the first time i mc'd (in my 20s), i lost 15lbs pretty effortlessly. i am recommitting to mcd because it really is the best way to eat. once your tastes change (if you are used to higher fat or sugary foods) you will be totally satisfied and be able to stuff yourself as long as you are only eating approved foods. have you visited mcd's message board? one of the forums is run my a vegan rd who can answer pretty much any question about why you don't need to count calories. here are a few links to get you started. let us know how it works out!<br><a href="http://www.drmcdougall.com/forums/index.php" target="_blank">mcdougall board</a><br><a href="http://www.drmcdougall.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6032" target="_blank">calorie density 1</a><br><a href="http://www.drmcdougall.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6916" target="_blank">calorie density 2</a>
 

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Those are really good discussion boards! Thanks.<br>
I heard Dr. Barnard on his 21 day weightloss tour. Very inspirational. He speaks of "plant based" barely touching on vegan principles. A lot of people seemed to respond, and the local Whole Foods are still running programs based on it, with full capacity .<br>
I get more inspired by Eat to Live by Furhman though<br><br>
I lost 15 lbs. when I first went vegetarian because I automatically went for those foods. Then I learned to cook and <i>bake!</i> Gained most of it back, and now I'm back on this way of eating. I haven't craved sugar in the week I've gone back to mostly veggies and fruits, whole grains and no added fats
 

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all of the plant based MD gurus stay away from the ideological part of veg*sm. they all encourage whole food plant based diet concepts, without the AR issues, or the reputations that potentially go with it....I'm totally ok with all of that, because people may not even know they're helping the animals too, but they are.<br><br>
Another site to check out is T. Colin Campbells message board.....<a href="http://www.tcolincampbell.ning.com" target="_blank">www.tcolincampbell.ning.com</a> his main website is <a href="http://www.tcolincampbell.com" target="_blank">www.tcolincampbell.com</a>
 

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Thank you for the info, everyone! I have no trouble with the no animals/whole grains stuff but I have a sugar problem. I am trying to follow the rules and we will see how it goes.
 

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what is your sugar problem? have you tried cold turkey? Have you tried gradually reducing it? Have you gotten HFCS out of your food in your house? If not, that is the place to start! It's in nearly everything, and you have to go looking at labels to find food without it!<br><br>
do you use replacement sugars?
 

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My problem is huge sugar cravings. I just have a real sweet tooth :-( I find it very hard to resist sometimes. I think I may be wheat-sensitive because when I am diligent about limiting that, the cravings are less.
 

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I have done Weight Watchers for most of the last 10 years except when I was pregnant. Because of that, I was obsessed with counting, weighing, measuring everything I ate. It was driving me crazy and I was still struggling with my weight. I switched to a plant based diet about 2 months ago. I quit all processed foods, and also cut out artificial sweeteners. It has been the best thing ever. I am never hungry because I am eating whole, filling foods. I am no longer craving sweets, and rarely snack in the afternoons and evenings when I struggled. I quit measuring, weighing and counting - and have lost 5 pounds in the last two months. I would like to lose about 5 more pounds. My diet could still be improved. My husband sometimes uses milk or eggs when cooking, and uses some oil. I am going to ask him to cut that out and see how things go.<br><br>
On the sugar cravings, what has really helped me is stopping artificial sweeteners. I was using 2 packs a day in my coffee, one in my oatmeal, and one in my tea - as well as at least one diet soda a day. I cut all of that out and the sugar cravings have gone away.
 

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On the sugar cravings, what has really helped me is stopping artificial sweeteners. I was using 2 packs a day in my coffee, one in my oatmeal, and one in my tea - as well as at least one diet soda a day. I cut all of that out and the sugar cravings have gone away.</div>
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you're so right about that....and I learned why....I thought it was just about the brain was being tricked, but it's really the sweet tastes trigger the pancreas to release insulin, to digest what it thinks is going to be real food, then there aren't any calories in what was consumed, so the insulin causes the blood sugar to drop, causing cells to release glucogon to raise the blood sugar, causing you to want to eat more sugary foods!<br><br>
I was ok with eating just one pack of 100cal snacks, or one diet soda, but I know people who definately are not!
 

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As for the sugar, I think, as someone else said, you have to go cold turkey. Completely eliminate it from your diet. Eventually the cravings will go away. I stopped eating sugar a few years ago. I have zero cravings for it. I don't particularly like it. The closest I get is the occasional Coke Zero and Splenda in my coffee. I sort of remember what a sugar craving was like. It's a slippery slope. Once you start you will slide all the way to the bottom.<br><br>
I learned all about sugar many years ago when I was a big meat eater. I did Atkins (yuck!). I completely cut sugar out of my diet. The withdrawals were bad for about three days. I decided after that experience that it was an addiction, like to a drug, and I would never eat a lot of sugar again. And I haven't. Sugar is a harsh master.<br><br>
Read about what happens in your body when you eat sugar and that might encourage you to break the addiction. It's a nasty roller coaster that your body wasn't designed to take. Sugar is the worst of carbs and causes your pancreas to go crazy. The pancreas has to kick into high gear every time you eat it. You experience sugar highs, depressing lows and obscene weight gain. Eventually, sugar will burn out your pancreas and it, and the associated obesity, has caused a tidal wave of type II diabetics.<br><br>
When I was growing up in the "Old South" my grandmother cooked pies and cakes every day. My grandfather was a farmer and worked very hard every day. he stayed skinney. She was round even though she worked pretty hard too (except when her soaps were on). I grew up thinking that sugar was a necessary food. Seriously, I thought you had to have some sugar to live. I didn't know that was a lie till I was like, 30. I was shocked that I could have believed we needed sugar. Anyway, once you get off of it for a while you wont crave it at all.<br><br>
Now, when I see cakes, pies, candy, doughnuts, whatever, I'm not tempted at all. I imagine the taste in my head and it's too sweet. Over the last couple of years I've had this experience of getting a slice of pie after dinner at a restaurant. Every time I am eating it and I know it's not as good as I had hoped and not worth what it can do to me. So, now I just pass it up. If I feel like an after dinner something I usually get something like, carrot salad or, something from the appetizer menu.<br><br>
I just don't think that you can make a truce with sugar. At least until you have completely broken it's hold. And I would say that takes about two years. At the grocery store don't buy it. Don't even go down that isle. Also, at first, I personally, wouldn't buy too many real sweet fruits like grapes. I would get some but, they will make it harder to break the sugar addiction. The studies are clear that sugar addiction is a physical addiction, not just emotional. So, eating a lot of fruit can keep that chain around your neck.<br><br>
So, if you eat a lot of sugar and decide to go cold turkey, expect to feel like crap for three or four days. Then, you will start to feel really good. You wont have the highs and lows anymore. Your overall energy will pickup. And, if your going vegan you will lose weight.<br><br>
I posted a movie link in this room called: Fat, Sick and almost Dead. It's like an hour and thirty seven minutes. It's not selling anything. It was made by an Australian guy. He was fat and sick and wanted to get healthy. So, he decided to make total war and juiced for 60 days. He also helped another guy that weighed like, 429 pounds get healthy. I'm not suggesting juicing. But, I think this movie has some great information about how the human body heals it's self.<br><br>
Unless things have just gone way too far, we can all get healthy. His attitude about it is what I like. When we decide to get healthy we cannot make friends with the foods that got us here. It's total war. There will be withdrawals. But, nearly all of us do not live in healthy environments or lifestyles. So, getting the proverbial monkey off of our backs can be challenging.<br><br>
I'm excited about your decision. It can be a wonderful experience watching our bodies get healthy. There is a feeling of helplessness when we have tried and failed so many times. When we do this thing and it's working great it brings joy. Much joy to you.
 

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very nicely written! I could associate with a lot of things you wrote.....the 3-4 days of cravings is spot on, and then they are significantly less!
 
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