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my email account seems to have sent a blank email to 2 people both of whom i know from VB. i don't know if this is something that happened within yahoo or VB itself, because one of the two people's email address isn't in my address book in yahoo.<br><br><br><br>
so.. if any of you get a blank email from <a href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> with Miguel Unamuno as the subject line (i think my real name shows in the 'from' line of my emails, in which case it's Sandra), delete it right away and let me know that you got it. don't open it. i don't know what it is or how it did this, so get rid of it ASAP just in case. just send me a PM here or email me at that same address.<br><br><br><br>
this is wierd. anyone have any ideas?
 

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If you forward me the message (or at least the complete headers) I can see what I can find out from them.<br><br><br><br>
(yes I'm a programmer and UNIX sysadmin)<br><br><br><br>
p.s. PM me for my email address
 

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well i don't have it, cause i never sent it. one of the vb'ers it sent to emailed me back saying i sent him a blank message but i haven't emailed him in like a month lol. (i'm horrible i know)<br><br><br><br>
i told him to delete it just in case it's something freaky but if he hasn't yet maybe he can email it to you
 

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I got another one similar from another friend in addition to LF.<br><br><br><br>
A virus maybe? I have heard of things like this happening.
 

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hm. do you still have mine or did you delete it yet?<br><br>
and why are you ignoring me on msn <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"><br><br>
just teasin
 

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I can't really tell where the email originates (i.e. from which computer), because I need the full message (the full headers) to see that. RSJ used Hotmail to receive/forward and hotmail doesn't give the option to view the message in "raw" format.<br><br><br><br>
So, if anyone has the email in say Outlook Express (or another local mail client), please step forward so that I can give instructions for how to view and send me the headers. Or maybe RSJ you later download the mail with Outlook Express to your computer when you are home?<br><br><br><br>
The message itself does not seem to be sent by a known virus. (OTOH it can be that we're witnessing the beginnings of a new virus/worm attack).
 

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In OE you right click the message, select properties, click the tab "Details" and you see the full headers of the message. This is what I'd need to hopefully be able to tell more.<br><br><br><br>
HTH! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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i have gotten about 30 of those today. returned/undeliverable emails but they are from several different domains and to people i have never heard of, from me, yet i have never sent what is in the msg to anyone, let alone them. one of the msgs was even in russian. there were some ineresting msgs. anyway it is a virus that is circulating. i forget the name. it's harmless (at least the one i got) to files etc but really annoying.
 

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hmm. so does it do anything other than send itself to people?<br><br>
and how come it tried to send itself to someone who's address i don't have saved anywhere in my email account?
 

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the russian one meant 'you may not like what you are about to read.' but nothing else.<br><br>
i think mine sounds different than the one you got LF. it doesnt just send blank msgs to people in my address book. i am getting returned/undelivered emails from domains i never contact with a msg from me, to such and such person altho i never sent or anything to that person or what it said to anyone. example postmaster at hotmail.com will send me a msg i sent,i really didnt but my name/email is there, to [email protected] .com. but they come from different postmasters at different domains and even with a msg from 'me', to a person at a domain different from the theirs. another ex. <a href="mailto:p[email protected]">[email protected]</a> sent me an undeliverable from 'me' to<br><br><a href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>.<br><br>
anyway mine was harmless and is over with, no damage, but there is a fizzer virus going around which i havent had time to read about but maybe that is something to check out.
 

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I think it's a virus of some sort. My Hotmail e-mail account has been sending random e-mails to people that I don't know for the last few months. I've also been recieving blank emails from my parents friends and so on. People that don't even know me.
 

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I have recieved mails with the Klez worm in them from people who do not know me, and they were from people with weird names and weird messages that sound sort of real, but a little off. Some are like, "happy day to all you beautiful!". I think maybe as it goes along it may store email addresses in its code and write to them at random. Klez has many, many variations. I don't doubt it could just send blank emails. I've also had ones that had attachments that didn't show on some email clients, but did on others.<br><br><br><br>
If it is klez, you can only remove it with specific tools located at Symantec or McAffee. Not only does it send things from you, it sometimes attaches random files of yours, so your sensitve info may be scattered all over the place! Scary stuff.
 

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Not sure if this is what you encountered, but the description sort of sounds like what you've experienced LF. Systematic has the discovery date as 5/13 (today). There was also another found yesterday but doesn't sound as much by definition as what you've encountered.<br><br><br><br><a href="http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/[email protected]" target="_blank">http://[email protected]</a><br><br><br><br>
the one discovered yesterday:<br><br><a href="http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.fakelove.html" target="_blank">http://securityresponse.symantec.com....fakelove.html</a>
 

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There's an easy fix for most of this... stop using Outlook or Outlook Express is one such solution. That alone will reduce the risk of email viruses substantially.<br><br><br><br>
The most effective method though is to just be smart about email. Disable html capabilities in your email reader, be extra wary about emails you receive from those you do not know, view header information, and do not open attachments without first scanning them with an up-to-date virus checker.<br><br><br><br>
For me, I also use Norton's Email protection as part of their Norton Anti-Virus, in combination with Eudora Pro (email) and Mailwasher (to preview messages and bounce/delete them) before they ever even get to my computer.<br><br><br><br>
But, seriously... the best defense against viruses is to just not assume any attachments you receive are safe to just open. Many folks have viruses and don't even realize it so they have no idea they are sending you a virus infected file.
 

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well...<br><br>
i don't use outlook. we have it on the computer but nobody uses it and i think it's disabled.<br><br>
i use yahoo and hotmail, yahoo is the one that's doing this. i'd gotten a blank email a short while ago that had an attachment. well, in the subject line it said there was an attachment, and it was one of those tricky subject lines that make you wonder if it's someone you do know and they changed their user name or something, so i opened the email but didn't plan on opening any attachment, i never do unless i'm sure about it and i scan them first with yahoo's built in virus scan. anyway i open this email and there is NO attachment, but the message says 'file attached' but was more or less blank other than some garbledygook computer junk. so i deleted it and we checked everything over with whatever virus thingy the guys have on the other computer and the computers have been fine.<br><br><br><br>
but i wonder if this email is what started it. hmm.<br><br><br><br>
but again: one of the addresses it sent to is NOT in my address book. it sent itself to RSJ and i got a failed delivery notice of the same email with SeaDolphin's address which i recognized as her but don't have on my computer. the only way i'd have it anywhere is if RSJ forwarded something to both of us and her addy was on a list of addresses in a forwarded email sitting in my inbox. cause i've never emailed her i don't think.<br><br><br><br>
hmm so if that's the case RSJ you should maybe warn others you normally forward stuff to.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
my head hurts from thinking about this
 
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