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H.R. 1472, the "Don't Feed the Bears" Act, is scheduled for a vote in the House Resources Committee on Tuesday, July 15! The bill now has 175 cosponsors, thanks to your grassroots efforts. But the trophy hunting extremists are rallying to defeat the bill, even though most hunters believe luring bears to rotting meat and jelly donuts is unsporting, and wildlife managers point out that feeding bears causes conflicts between bears and people.<br><br><br><br>
Please call your Representative IMMEDIATELY at (202) 225-3121, or send a fax by visiting our web site:<br><br><a href="http://action.fund.org/action/index.asp?step=2&item=1431" target="_blank">http://action.fund.org/action/index....ep=2&item=1431</a><br><br><br><br>
Ask him or her to support H.R. 1472 to ban bear baiting on federal<br><br>
lands. It is especially important if your Representative is a member<br><br>
of the House Resources Committee, listed here:<br><br><a href="http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/108cong/members.htm" target="_blank">http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/108cong/members.htm</a><br><br><br><br>
If your Representative is a consponsor of H.R. 1472, please thank him or her for supporting this common sense bill. If your Representative hasn't signed on yet, please tell him or her to do so. Find the list of cosponsors here:<br><br><a href="http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:HR01472:mad:@@P" target="_blank">http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...8:HR01472:mad:@@P</a><br><br><br><br>
If you don't know who your Representative is, just type in your street address here:<br><br><a href="http://action.fund.org/directory/" target="_blank">http://action.fund.org/directory/</a><br><br><br><br>
And finally, please call or fax the members of the House Resources<br><br>
Committee listed below, and tell them to support H.R. 1472, the "Don't Feed the Bears" Act. Tell them bear baiting is unsporting, biologically reckless, and that the federal government needs to control this practice on federal lands.
 

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Espki, "baiting" is a pretty common practice employed by some hunters of many species: bears, deer, etc. Some "hunters", for example, will feed deer all winter long with corn or apples, then take one during season.<br><br><br><br>
<note, this is not intended for debate, but rather to illustrate to Epski further about baiting and its widespread use by some hunters>
 

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I sent that thing about baiting to my reps because epski made it sound like something bad and I am too tired to figure out if I agree or not. However, I was quite to see that fund is against hunting. Though it might be natural for animal lovers to be against hunting, it doesn't really make sense. Fund says that hunting cripples the environment, however, hunters are some of the biggest donors of parks and the environment. Also, hunters generally eat what they kill, and being shot after a good, outdoor life is much better than life in a factory farm. Also, animals that are hunted don't need to have grain farmed for them which killes lots of fieldmice and gophers. So why is fund against hunting?<br><br>
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Hunting is, to me, most revolting. (I think everyone knows this now <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">)<br><br>
There are many more faces to hunting other then the unmoral practices. It can have many adverse affects on the environment, caused mainly by the 'management' that many species went though last century. The point of this management was to increase the number of 'game' animals so hunters could have more things to shoot at. But if this was not enough, unnatural hunting practices, current 'management' (which, depending on who you talk to, has not changed at all) and also animal/human interaction all contribute to the problems now raising from hunting.<br><br><br><br>
ETA: fixed it. is that better?
 

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Robert: "Some "hunters", for example, will feed deer all winter long with corn or apples, then take one during season."<br><br>
That´s what the hunters are doing in Germany and then they have the audacity to call themselves stewards of the forests!
 

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Alpaca, I tried, but I'm afraid I don't understand what you are saying. Too many typos. "caused mainly be the 'management' that many spice went thought last century"???? It sounds like something refrigerator magnets would say. I'm afraid I still don't understand what's wrong with hunting. Robert/Lothar, I don't understand what's wrong with feeding deer all year and then shooting them. I mean, the deer live nice lives, and get fed well, and then they're happy and before they know they're dead, well, they're dead. So what if it's wussy? As long as the deer are eaten, which seems to be the reason considering they're being fattened up, it does not support factory farming OR froggies being chopped up by combines on rice paddies. And again, hunters are big donor$ to the environment.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by RedViking</i><br><br><b>Alpaca, I tried, but I'm afraid I don't understand what you are saying. Too many typos.</b></div>
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Yeah, sorry, sometimes I do that when I type fast. Im trying to do better with my posts.<br><br>
Ill go back and fix it. Brains ahead of the fingers, and all that <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by RedViking</i><br><br>
Robert/Lothar, I don't understand what's wrong with feeding deer all year and then shooting them. I mean, the deer live nice lives, and get fed well, and then they're happy and before they know they're dead, well, they're dead.<br><br>
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You have to look beyond the single death. First, if all Deer are taken this way, what is this doing to the animal? (as a species.) This is not normal predator habit. In fact, this is so far removed from normal predator behavior that I fear for how the species pre-set reaction will be as a whole. (evolution)<br><br>
There is also the population. It was never meant for the Deer to have so abundant resources of food all year round. Think what this will do to the population. More food = more animals. And More animals means more targets for the hunters so I dont think they will complain.<br><br>
And what is the point? Lure them in and pull the trigger. Wow. What skill. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rolleyes:"><br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by RedViking</i><br><br>
So what if it's wussy? As long as the deer are eaten, which seems to be the reason considering they're being fattened up, it does not support factory farming OR froggies being chopped up by combines on rice paddies.<br></div>
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How is froggies being chopped up any worse then hunting???<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by RedViking</i><br><br>
And again, hunters are big donor$ to the environment. [/B]</div>
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This is actually incorrect. Most funds that hunters are referring to are things like taxes on ammo and guns. You tell me, how many weapons in the US are used for hunting?
 

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<div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by RedViking</i><br><br>
Robert/Lothar, I don't understand what's wrong with feeding deer all year and then shooting them.</div>
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My issue with it is that it is simply not hunting. Those who bait are basically getting an animal accustomed to regular feedings to the point that the animal comes to rely on, or even expect, a regular human-supplied meal. Where's the 'challenge' in baiting? Where's the skill involved other than buying a truckload of food? To shoot a season-long baited animal, you've basically shot a pet. I hardly call that "hunting".<br><br><br><br>
Let me be clear, I have absolutely no issue with hunting. In fact I did it myself for many years. I just prefer to call things what they actually are... and baiting is simply not hunting. It's not much different than going to the local duck pond in your city to shoot a duck that's been fed by passers-by for months. These ducks usually don't even migrate. They don't have to... they have all the food they want right where they are from people feeding them. Makes for a pretty easy target, wouldn't you agree?
 
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