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As you know, any society has its stereotypes. There is the stereotypical Englishman, who speaks with an oxford accent, enjoys crumpets and drinks tea. There's the stereotypical hillbilly, sitting on the veranda with the shotgun, and there's the stereotypical frenchman, wearing a striped jersey, with onions in one hand and french bread (or a white flag) in the other. But they're nott he kind of sterotypes that I'm on about. After all, this is the vegetarian and vegan board, so I'm on aboutt he way in which veg*ns are stereotyped in society, the media, or pretty much anywhere else where stereotypes are found.<br><br><br><br>
Now I find that in society, vegetarianism is tolerated, but veganism is seen as something wacky, and that vegans have a screw loose or something. Or that's the impression that I get. many of you have heard the old stereotype that vegetarians are all pale. Well, I was surprised when in a family conversation, (I think my dad is worrying his arse off about B12, and i blame the article I posted a few days ago for that.) the topic of vegetarianism sprang up, and my mum stated that most vegetarians are pale. I thought "Isn't that myth dead?" Of course, i;'m not a pale fella, and my mum was quick to point out that I probably do eat healthily, but that the majority of vegtarians were pale. The thing is though, maybe this would have been true in the 70's when she was a teenager, and vegetarian nutrition was a lot more difficult, but thirty ears on, and I'd have thought that vegetarianism had become commonplace, and that these myths would have died out as vegetarians now have many more nutrition resources. I said this, and my mum said "yes, but if you ever see a vegan, or a really strict vegetarian, you can spot them a mile away. They've usually got really pale faces and they're really thin." This didn't come as much of a surprise, as my parents aren't really very open to the idea of veganism.<br><br><br><br>
We spent a good deal of the night talking about vegetarianism in general, and I was able to confidently say that even on a vegan diet, you can get everything you need. i got a lot of B12 worries, but this is expected, since B12 is the one area where vegans are pretty much screwed. So i just went on about marmite, and fortified cereals, how you need very little and stuff. My dad knows quite a bit about nutrition, since he runs a company which produces vitamin supplements, and he knew that i knew my stuff. But he did agree with my mum that vegans are all skinny and pale. And there were a lot of the ol' "vegans are nutters" rigmarole. (My parents don't know that I'm leaning towards veganism ,though they do know i don't eat a lot of dairy since I hate cheese.) Their view of the average vegan is the pale skinny dude who walks around with the "meat is murder" sign and is pretty much like the folks at PETA<br><br><br><br>
I guess PETA do come into this whole idea of stereotypes. Do you think that PETA reinforce the negative stereotypes about veg*ns being extremists? I definitely think so, as my parents have this view. I must admit that about a year ago, before I came across vegweb.com, and got involved with the community, I wans't to hot on vegans, and I had the view that vegans were pretty much insane, and this is mainly because of negative portrayal in society and in the media. But after meeting a few vegans over the internet, I ofund that vegans are normal people, and I dunno about pale faces and skinny figures, but I've not heard of many vegans who go round singing "beat it" or "smooth criminal" or who remind me of certain musicians who sing songs such as "beat it" and "smooth criminal".<br><br><br><br>
I guess that in my own generation, veganism is tolerated quite a bit. My g/f went to a different highschool to me, and one of her teachers was a vegan. She was telling me how cool he was, and that he was quite a cool guy. And I have a few friends that went to this high school, and they're generally accepting of veganism, as they probably had areally cool vegan teacher. But last summer, my friends were discussing strawberries and cream, and when they went on about cream, I said "Ugh." and one of my friends said "Yo Loki, how extreme do you want to go on this veggie thing?" so I guess that veganism isn't though of as a nirmal thing to do, whilst people are generally very accepting of my vegetarianism.<br><br><br><br>
So what do you guys seem to thin kabout stereotypes surrounding veganism. The media portrayal of vegans isn't very good, especially when headlines like "Vegan parents starve baby" are abound. And in America, the situation is worse when there are groups such as the center for consumer freedom whose sole purpose is to keep these stereotypes running.<br><br><br><br>
Also, I guess that very few people fully understand veganism as well. Or vegetarianism, which is a bugger when you get pescatarians calling themselves vegetarian.<br><br><br><br>
Anyway, I'm wondering what you guys have to say baout vegetarianism and stereotypes, because its amazing how some of the stereotypes still persist, and how some people assume that all vegans are militant animal rights activists who burn down McDonalds and stuff like that.
 

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Yeah. People definitely stereotype vegans as weirdo skinny animal-lover hippies who are not anything like "normal" people. I'm not even vegan but i've gotten a few "animal loving health freak" comments. I'm not really a health freak but i love animals and i'm [email protected] proud of it! Even my family has expressed somewhat anti-vegan views and I know my mom and brother think they're all PETA people who stand in front of fur stores and throw red paint on old rich ladies with fur coats. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rolleyes:"><br><br><br><br>
And loki, do your friends actually call you Loki?
 

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wow. they think vegans are nutters. ha. i think meat eaters are nutters. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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Er. Yar. The first vegans that I started talking to when I was thinking about going vegan were mostly, um, black. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> So .. we can debunk that paleness issue straight off.<br><br><br><br>
It's odd, I've never thought of this before. Good thread!<br><br><br><br>
Hm... I met this one guy... He asked me out to dinner and I was explaining "well what restaurant? By the way, I'm vegan, so..." And he proceeded to tell me all about this sister-in-law or somebody who was vegan for a while and she got really thin and sickly and he told me "you reallyy shoudln't restrict yourself in that way." Chuh! Veganism isn't "restriction."<br><br><br><br>
The stereotype/assumption about vegans that bothers me most is that all vegans eat is lettuce and sprouts. Everytime I get invited to dinner by people that know I'm vegan, they always say "you'll like this restaurant, it has a really good salad bar." Or my gramma.. "you should come over for dinner, we have fresh vegetables."<br><br><br><br>
HELLO. I DO NOT LIVE OFF OF TOMATOES.
 

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Heh. It's because we aren't outside in the sun hunting all day. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Loki</i><br><br>
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I guess PETA do come into this whole idea of stereotypes. Do you think that PETA reinforce the negative stereotypes about veg*ns being extremists?</div>
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Actually, I think PETA <i>created</i> the negative stereotypes.<br><br><br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">But after meeting a few vegans over the internet, I ofund that vegans are normal people, and I dunno about pale faces and skinny figures, but I've not heard of many vegans who go round singing "beat it" or "smooth criminal" or who remind me of certain musicians who sing songs such as "beat it" and "smooth criminal".</div>
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<br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"> lol<br><br><br><br>
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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by CharityAJO</i><br><br><b>Heh. It's because we aren't outside in the sun hunting all day. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"></b></div>
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There may be some truth to that. I would guess that most vegans are health conscious, and thus probably use sunscreen. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
Oh, and on the "they have a really good salad bar" type comments, I think people forget that grains, legumes, vegetable fats, etc. are vegan. It's not just produce everybody!
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Loki</i><br><br>
I guess PETA do come into this whole idea of stereotypes. Do you think that PETA reinforce the negative stereotypes about veg*ns being extremists?</div>
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Absolutely. PeTA is the biggest and most visible veg*n group. Their ads and actions turn a lot of folks off and discount them as being whackos.<br><br><br><br>
I am a perfect example of someone who thought ALL vegans were extremist whackos... and most of my preconceived notions were based on the various PeTA campaigns and ARA/ALF criminal acts you hear about all the time in the various media. It's places like here at VB that help show that veg*n are not all criminal nutcases.<br><br><br><br>
In my opinion, PeTA/ALF greatly hurts the image more than help it, in the eyes of those whom they are trying to "enlighten".
 

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In my opinion, PeTA/ALF greatly hurts the image more than help it, in the eyes of those whom they are trying to "enlighten".<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
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i agree here.<br><br><br><br>
i have been very very pale my entire life, and have only been veg for a few months. i am also now thin--wasnt always, nut the weight loss came BEFORE i went veg as i had started eating more healthfully/lower fat and started exercising.<br><br><br><br>
i do not attend family functions, but when i used to they would all wonder why i was not eatiung the pathetic bowl of iceberg lettuce they would have as their "salad"!!!! puhlease--i would rather go hungry. i do not even know why they would bother to sit there and pretend like they were going to have this "salad"--they did not make it for me, i guess it made them feel good knowing they had a vegetable on the table!! PATHETIC!!!!!!!
 

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I'm waiting for someone to comment on my paleness... because I'll just laugh and say "and that is different to how I was when I ate meat how..?" I've always been pale, blame the Irish ancestry...
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by shewolf</i><br><br><b>I'm waiting for someone to comment on my paleness... because I'll just laugh and say "and that is different to how I was when I ate meat how..?" I've always been pale, blame the Irish ancestry...</b></div>
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Hey shewolf, have you seen that Aussie TV Ad about Lamb with the vegetarian?<br><br>
There are a few people sitting down to eat dinner, and it's the standard "meat and 3 veges" fare. The girl at the table looks at the Lamb chop and says "I'm vegetarian", and the adult male and female stare at her.... then the boy sitting next to her gets all excited and grabs the Lamb chop off of her plate.<br><br>
The girl is wearing all black (quite Gothic), is as pale as a ghost, and speaks in a monotone. It kind of implies vegetarians are pale, boring and gloomy.<br><br>
Then again, the others appear to be stereotypes; clueless parents and a dumbf**k teenage guy.<br><br><br><br>
I'm sick of all the Ads, especially leading up to Australia Day, about how Lamb is "so Australian". It's like Yankies, Turkey and Thanksgiving.<br><br><br><br>
Another Ad is that one with the young deaf girl, and all it shows is her munching away on a Lamb chop, and then at the end she "says" something about it in sign-language..... it's about being able to eat Lamb chops with your hands. Well whoop-di-doo, I eat much of my vegan food with my hands.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Kurmudgeon</i><br><br><b>Hey shewolf, have you seen that Aussie TV Ad about Lamb with the vegetarian?</b></div>
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I have Kurmudgeon and I bloody hated it.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block"><b>The girl is wearing all black (quite Gothic), is as pale as a ghost, and speaks in a monotone. It kind of implies vegetarians are pale, boring and gloomy.</b></div>
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It's as if they are saying that she is metally lacking something that has caused her to decide to turn into a goth as well as stop eating meat.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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Ha ha, yes, typical narrowminded, "Fish on a Friday" unadventurous dull as dishwater bores.<br><br><br><br>
Glad that I wasn't the only one who hated this advert.
 

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Yep, I've seen it too and it annoyed me even before the 'transition' LOL. Did you see Skithouse tonight? They had two people at a restaurant, and the waitress listing all the (meat) dishes... they say "we're both vegetarian" and the waitress goes "oh, that's okay, we have salmon..." I started laughing, the chick says "we don't eat meat, fish are meat" and the guy says "we'll just have some drinks and look over the menu" and the waitress is like "okay, we have sausage beer..."<br><br><br><br>
I'm laughing my head off. This show for those who don't know is a "spoof show", it is designed to "take the piss" as we do. What is even funnier is the woman who played the waitress is a vegetarian in real life, she probably thought the skit up.... from real life experiences. It was funny to me but I wonder how many omnis were sitting there not having a clue as to why it was funny...
 

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What I hate most is that the media is very keen on reporting things like "Vegan mom didn't get enough B12 - baby now has brain damage". What about the average omni mom, are they perfect? I'm willing to bet that most vegans, especially women who are pregnant or raising vegan children, are VERY aware of the different nutrients we all need. However if you ask anybody on the street what the RDA for B12 or any other nutrient is, do you think they'll know? Well they won't! Unless of course it happens to be a nutrition therapist etc. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"> This just pisses me off. And of course all the "hostile" omnis I know are always pointing out these "horror stories" they read in the media. But if I tell them about some research that proves veganism is good for you and the environment they just say it's rubbish. Sheesh, really.<br><br><br><br>
Also, vegans are NOT skinny! Anyone in their right mind couldn't call me skinny. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"> People who eat nothing but salad are skinny, but they aren't (necessarily) vegans, they're freaks! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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To be honest, there are very few vegans who visit fast food places. (Unless you live next to one of these - <a href="http://www.maoz.nl/" target="_blank">http://www.maoz.nl/</a> - Then you'll be one of those veg*ns who does frequent fast food places.) And I am not the first person to argue that a vegan diet is healthier than hamburgers, fries and coke day in day out. Also, more vegans are aware of health issues.<br><br><br><br>
I know that my dad is educated about B12. He knows that the body retains it well. But I've been vegetarian for six years. His worry is that now that I'm in vegetarianism for the long haul for sure, he's worried that i'll get anaemia, since I'll probbaly be losing B12. Though I am ovo-lacto, so I'll still be getting B12, and I've told him that a lot of vegetarian speciality products and cereals are fortified. But the B12 issue is a half stereotype, and half true thing. It's half stereotype, because not all vegans are anaemic, but B12 is hard to get.<br><br><br><br>
And I have heard about that TV advertisement before. And since deconstructing advertisements is one of my speciality areas, I can tell you about what stereotypes they're pushing, even without ever seeing the advertisement. Here's a breakdown:<br><br><br><br>
Lamb - Australia is known for its lamb. i've heard much about Australia and lamb going together. it's like "British Beef" i guess.<br><br><br><br>
Goth girl - Signifies rebellion, disruption. The gothic look conveys the image that this is something that teenagers do, and that it's just a phase (As parents see some kids as going throygh a gothic phase.) Also, goths are rebellious, and it signifies that perhaps it's just being a rebal by being veg. Also, as previously mentioned, it is a metaphor for the supposed gloominess of vegetarianism. (This is obviously untrue - See falafel!)<br><br><br><br>
Boy grabs the lamb chop off her plate - This is trying to signify two things. The first is that the meal w/o meat is an empty meal. I wouldn't be surprised if the camera showed a close up of the plate and the hand grabbing it off. And it would be rearranged to look like a bad/small/inadequate meal without the meat. It may also be present to fight the ideology that vegetarians are making a difference, as the meat is being consumed by someone else instead.<br><br><br><br>
Disapproving looks from parents - Vegetarianism is a phenomenon which is very large in teenagers. The purpose of this advertisement may not just be to promote a product, but also to indoctrinate ideologies. These are taken in in an osmosis-like fashion by viewers. The disapproving looks from the parents may be included to indoctrinate other parents into disapproval if their kids cut out meat. It engineers society into disapproval of vegetarianism. No one mentioned disapproval, but I guess that the parent's looks would have been disapproving. But the fact that she gets stared at is a warning to potential teen veggies - People will look at you funny. The bulk of the message being transmitted byt he staring faces in this advertisements are instructing kids to conform, consume and obey through fear of exclusion.<br><br><br><br>
Do remember that everything in the advertisement is intentional. The way the food looks, the facial expressions, and even the layout of the room have all been co-ordinated to make the advertisement. So even small things which seem to be anti-veg in this advertisement are intentional. If this advertisement was aired in Britain, then I'd complain to the advertising authorities.<br><br><br><br>
As you can see, advertisements such as that do reinforce negative vegetarian stereotypes. This is something which the meat industry wants to do, as the more vegetarians there are, the less consumers there are. So therefore, preventing vegetarianism is high on the agenda for the meat industry.<br><br><br><br>
Well Ntelligent, some of my friends call me Loki, and some don't. But it's usually my closer friends who call me Loki. Well, you asked!!
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Loki</i><br><br><b><br><br>
I guess PETA do come into this whole idea of stereotypes. Do you think that PETA reinforce the negative stereotypes about veg*ns being extremists?</b></div>
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I just wanted to say that I definitely think PETA perpetuates negative stereotypes. In my opinion, they make ALOT of vegetarians and vegans look as if we are part of some type of cult, that we are unaccepting of people who AREN'T vegetarians, etc...<br><br><br><br>
I don't know if this is everywhere, but where I live, I've had people walk up to me trying to "sell" their religion to me... I find that completely un-necessary as I will choose my own religion, and I don't need to have someone else trying to convince me otherwise. That is what I feel PETA is like, trying to "scare" and "disgust" omnivore's with the lifestyles they lead and try to convince them to come to ours.<br><br><br><br>
I am a vegan, and I'd definitely love to tell people about it and point out the benefits..... but only if they are interested... I will not shove my lifestyle down their throats just because I think my lifestyle is the way to go. PETA is portraying veggies this way, I don't think it's right.
 

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I absolutely believe that PeTA reinforces negative stereotypes. When I tell someone that I'm a vegetarian, I am almost always asked if I'm a member of PeTA. The person I share a cubicle with at work delights in heckling all of PeTA's exploits in my presence, despite the fact that I've explained that I'm not a member of PeTA and I don't always agree with what they do.<br><br><br><br>
I'm very pale...I always have been. It has nothing to do with my veg*ism. I'm not skinny, either.<br><br><br><br>
As a matter of fact, let me throw this out...sometimes, when I'm a restaurant and the fact that I'm a vegetarian is brought up (usually when I ask "Is the veggieburger grilled with the meat burgers?", hehe) I sometimes feel that I'm looked at askance, as if I couldn't really be a vegetarian because I'm on the curvy side.<br><br><br><br>
I'm working on going vegan, now. I'd say that I eat vegan 95% of the time...I'm just eliminating the last few nibbles of cheese or milk chocolate here and there. My family thinks I'm crazy and makes no effort whatsoever to have anything I can eat, so I either have to eat before I go, or provide my own food. Such is life, I guess. *shrugs*
 

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I am sick at how my mom says my veganism limits me. if anything its opend up my world to the rest of whats out there. Instead of having meat 7 nights a week like they do. its disgusting. burgers for last night. tonight it'll be ham, tomarrow pork chops. next night it'll be steaks. i confronted my mom on this too and just asked why she has meat every single night. and she say'd " well sorry brent, but your dad is a meat and potatoes man " what kind of idiot anwer is that. its like they donte ven think of there health at all.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by V3gan</i><br><br><b>what kind of idiot anwer is that. its like they dont even think of there health at all.</b></div>
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I dunno, personally I don't buy into the whole "if you eat meat, you are eating unhealthily and will die of <insert disease here>" or "if you only eat veg* foods, you'll be thin, pale and sickly".<br><br><br><br>
I have no doubt that either one can have a negative affect on some people, but I just happen to think a lot of is probably hereditary. Certainly I take the commercials for the animal producers with a grain of salt, in the same way I take the veg* commercials, ESPECIALLY PeTA's, with a gain of salt. Both have something to gain and both appear to say anything they can to sway people to their side.<br><br><br><br>
As an aside, my grandparents on both sides were all meat eaters. Yet the earliest any of them died was 83 years old. My last remaining grandparent, my grandmother, turned 94 last weekend and ate BBQ that day.<br><br><br><br>
I think it has more to do with the food preparation, pesticides, pollution, vaccines, spices/preservatives/additives, etc. (and even heredity), that contribute more to a lessened lifespan, regardless of dietary choice, than anything else.
 
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