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Hey guys! I wanted to see what your opinion was of one of my recent ideas.<br><br>
I have a lot of pets, and several of them eat crickets. We constantly have to go to the store to buy them, and every time I feel bad because I know that money is going towards an industry that I no longer care for. So, I was thinking about starting a cricket farm, just for our own personal use to support our pets, and wanted to know how you think this compares ethically to repeatedly buying them. I am not here, though, to discuss the ethics of feeding live prey to companion animals - anyone familiar with me likely knows my opinions on that subject, as I have had that discussion numerous times in the past.<br><br>
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I think it would be better to farm your own crickets because, as you said, you're not supporting the unethical companies as much. Obviously, it's not an ideal situation, but as your companion animals need to eat them, starting your own cricket farm is the best option really.
 

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1. Can you catch brain death over the internet?<br><br>
2. Before I get a pet Cheetah should I start up my own Thomsons Gazelle farm?
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>veggiholic</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3046382"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
^ It's not the same. vegkid already has these animals and has a duty of care towards them.</div>
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I have the same problem with a cat I inherited before I thunk things through properly.<br><br>
Should I start farming birds and small rodents rather than buy tins and pouches of cat food for her, do you think?
 

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I love crickets; wouldn't it be like you're feeding some of your pets to<br>
some of your other pets? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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I have the same problem with a cat I inherited before I thunk things through properly.<br><br>
Should I start farming birds and small rodents rather than buy tins and pouches of cat food for her, do you think?</div>
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Unless I have misinterpreted the situation, vegkid will feed live crickets to the companion animals either way. In this situation, starting a cricket farm will do nothing to help any crickets, which is regrettable, but will at least provide less support to the industry providing the crickets in shops (or wherever they are being sold). Commercial cat food is made from scraps leftover from the meat industry, so unless you were going to feed the cat with cuts of raw meat, fewer animals would suffer and die if you were buying the commercial cat food rather than farming birds and rodents.<br><br>
Personally, although I would have liked pets that require live food when I was younger, I was never comfortable with the idea of providing for these requirements and still feel this way. But with animals that are already there and need to eat live crickets, vegkid starting (what I assume would be) a small farm just to provide for these companion animals is the lesser of (what I consider to be) two necessary evils.<br><br>
I do see where you're coming from, but it's not an ideal situation, so there's no ideal solution.
 

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I think raising crickets is better than purchasing. I used to have lizards and couldn't stand the chirping, myself.<br><br>
I also can't stand the judgments made with having carnivorous compainions. Ideally there wouldn't be cats or dogs, but they're here in abundance.<br>
One the one hand, vegans would like everyone to be vegan, and have no animals to care for that need meat. I've never heard any good arguements on what should happen to the multitudes of homeless dogs and cats that multiply without constraint.<br><br>
Veggiholic is right, it's not an ideal situation so there's no ideal solution.
 

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I also can't stand the judgments made with having carnivorous compainions. Ideally there wouldn't be cats or dogs, but they're here in abundance.<br>
One the one hand, vegans would like everyone to be vegan, and have no animals to care for that need meat. I've never heard any good arguements on what should happen to the multitudes of homeless dogs and cats that multiply without constraint.</div>
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Well there are some that would just like to see them all put down so we don't have to feed them meat. Of course I doubt the same people would want their child, sister, uncle, etc., put down because they refuse to give up meat, even though humans don't need it.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Clueless Git</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3046376"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Two questions ..<br><br>
1. Can you catch brain death over the internet?<br><br>
2. Before I get a pet Cheetah should I start up my own Thomsons Gazelle farm?</div>
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Gosh, you're still quite the charmer, I see. I really hope your sunny personality and impeccable manners aren't contagious either!<br><br>
Vegkid: I think it's a good idea, actually. At least you'll know that your crickets have a decent quality of life before they become lizard food. I have a couple of questions, though- mianly how would you start this farm up and how would you breed them? (My brother has a bearded dragon that eats crickets so I might recommend this to him if it works for you.)
 

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Just a warning, they stink.
 

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I think it would be better to farm your own crickets because, as you said, you're not supporting the unethical companies as much. Obviously, it's not an ideal situation, but as your companion animals need to eat them, starting your own cricket farm is the best option really.</div>
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My train of though exactly.<br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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Two questions ..<br><br>
1. Can you catch brain death over the internet?<br><br>
2. Before I get a pet Cheetah should I start up my own Thomsons Gazelle farm?</div>
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1.) If I have brain death, it's because of a certain someone in a certain homosexuality debate thread.<br><br>
2.) I'm already stuck with these animals, either they're adopted or I have them left over from when I was an idiotic ignorant child with no knowledge of the abuses of the pet industry. So if you had a pet cheetah left over from either of these situations, and can afford a gazelle farm, I urge you to start one. That way, you don't have to haggle with those damned strict wildlife rehabilitation centers just to feed it.<br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>veggiholic</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3046382"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
^ It's not the same. vegkid already has these animals and has a duty of care towards them.</div>
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Yep. I'm not too happy with myself about it, but that doesn't change the fact that they're here and have to eat.
 

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Yep. I'm not too happy with myself about it, but that doesn't change the fact that they're here and have to eat.</div>
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Which makes commercial cricket farming less ethical than home cricket farming in what way?
 

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I love crickets; wouldn't it be like you're feeding some of your pets to<br>
some of your other pets? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("></div>
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Yes, I love crickets too. I don't like feeding any animal to any other animal, regardless of their species, and I am fond of crickets so that makes it worse. That does not stop me from feeding them to animals that need to eat them, however, because starving an animal is even less ethical in my opinion.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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Gosh, you're still quite the charmer, I see. I really hope your sunny personality and impeccable manners aren't contagious either!<br><br>
Vegkid: I think it's a good idea, actually. At least you'll know that your crickets have a decent quality of life before they become lizard food. I have a couple of questions, though- mianly how would you start this farm up and how would you breed them? (My brother has a bearded dragon that eats crickets so I might recommend this to him if it works for you.)</div>
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Haha, you have no idea. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"><br><br>
I've looked up several articles. It's not as hard as you'd think. I've tried to do it in the past, but I didn't have a big enough container so they started eating their own eggs. Apparently you're supposed to put a mesh grate on the dirt so they don't do that, but I think that'd be really uncomfortable, unnatural, and annyoing for them so I'd just start off with enough crickets where if they dug up some eggs it wouldn't have too big of an effect on the population.
 

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Gosh, you're still quite the charmer, I see.</div>
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Have we been introduced?
 

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I have never breed them but I have got a lot at once and kept them in a plastic container in the closet. First they REALLY STINK. I put a potatoes or carrot in with them to eat, they like starchy vegetables. They live on egg crate like things. Be careful about losing one in the house, the noise that one in unknown place in your house will drive you insane. Oh and again they really smell.
 

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I have never breed them but I have got a lot at once and kept them in a plastic container in the closet. First they REALLY STINK. I put a potatoes or carrot in with them to eat, they like starchy vegetables. They live on egg crate like things. Be careful about losing one in the house, the noise that one in unknown place in your house will drive you insane. Oh and again they really smell.</div>
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Yep. I know. Most insects smell. I've gotten used to it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"><br><br>
Also yeah carrots and potatoes and lettuce are the best for them, but carrots and potatoes rot and get moldy so fast that you have to replace them constantly, and lettuce shrivels up so fast that you have to do the same. Food is a bit of a chore for them, but I'm just rambling again. XD
 

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I don't like the idea of raising one animal as food for another at all, generally... which is somewhat hypocritical of me, because I have adopted cats and goldfishes- all of whom have eaten food of partly animal origin. As I understand it, this was at least partly byproducts of human food production and not the primary cause of the "food animals' " demise. Doesn't matter- I still hate the idea, and still think I'm violating my own code of behavior. I'm still looking for a good solution to this problem- that is, a healthy veg*n formulation for my animals.<br><br>
In the meantime, may I suggest an alternative nobody else has mentioned yet?<br><br>
Insects are a problem for many people, both in their gardens and in their houses. Would you be able to provide a sort of pest control service, capturing problem insects and feeding them to your insectivores instead? I don't know that you'd be able to feed your animals this way completely, and maybe some insects would not be good food (I think stinkbugs and blister beetles would be poisonous) but these are presumably insects who'd be killed somehow anyway- not deliberately bred by you or someone else just to be eaten.<br><br>
Another possibility <span style="text-decoration:underline;">might</span> be to re-home your pets. (I'd gladly do this with my goldfishes- I'm seriously looking for adopters. Anybody want from one to five 5-year-old, 5-inch-long goldfishes?...) Of course, you might be more attached to them than I am to my fish- and someone else would then be feeding them crickets... although if someone looking for a pet adopted yours, this might prevent that someone from buying their lizards from pet suppliers instead...
 

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But like you said, they would just be fed crickets anyways. If I keep these animals, then not only ell they be fed crickets anyway, but I will know they are taken good care of, and if I start a cricket farm I will be able to know where the crickets are sourced as well.
 

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Okay, my scorpion died ( <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> ). But this gray cloud has a silver lining - not only does it mean we don't need to buy as many crickets in the future if the operation fails, but we can use his/her old cage to start the cricket farm.
 
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