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hey!<br><br>
Long time lurker of many vegan/veggie forums here, but finally joined! Looking forward to sharing and learning with all you beautiful people<br><br><br>
So anyone familiar with the book Left In The Dark, by Tony Wright and Graham Gynn? Its absolutely phenomenal and turns most of what we think about consciousness, the brain, food and many other oddities about human anatomy/culture upside down. Its mind blowing and i think you'll find it utterly fascinating<br><br>
Here's a really nice and short pictorial explanation of the general idea:<br><a href="http://leftinthedark.org.uk/sites/default/files/The%20missing%20link%20pictorial%20version_0.pdf" target="_blank">http://leftinthedark.org.uk/sites/de...0version_0.pdf</a><br><br>
This is very well evidenced but the basic logic is simple: Change what something is built out of and fueled by, and the quality/functioning will be effected. This is really simple engineering logic but no one seems to have applied it to the human brain until recently<br><br>
Basically this is taking a look at the affects of diet and fruit symbiosis in Africa on our evolution, and how the loss of this complex bio-chemistry has led to a damaged brain.<br><br><br>
theres a free online version of the entire book <a href="http://leftinthedark.org.uk/sites/default/files/Left%20in%20the%20Dark%20free%20edition.pdf" target="_blank">here</a> on their site if anyones interested. And there is a few new books in the works <a href="http://www.indiegogo.com/Make-up-your-own-mind" target="_blank">http://www.indiegogo.com/Make-up-your-own-mind</a><br><br><br><br>
(I moved this thread here since i posted it in the wrong section originally)
 

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Haven't read it but it seems to have good reviews. Is the free online one you listed the same as the original?
 

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Yes<br><br>
I've never actually seen an author put a .pdf on their site like that. These guys are very legit though and this info is very important. If you guys like the book and feel inclined then i'd support they're research. I really hope they're new book project gets funded<br><br>
this stuff has just changed my life basically
 

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Basically this is the idea of symbiosis<br><br>
Symbiosis is found on many many levels of nature, all over the place. We just don't usually notice it until we take a closer look..Its been noted that 3/4 trees actually have a symbiotic relationship with fungi in their root system, and other co-evolutionary relationships have been found between plants and insects, and some suggest primates and other mammals as well.<br><br>
One of the reasons why fruit, which is literally a womb for the seeds, exists is to attract animals to eat it so that they disperse its seeds around the forest floor. The more attractive and nutritious the fruit the better. This technique ensure the plants survival. This win win situation is largely why the chemicals in food like fruit are so good for us (as we are continually finding now adays), and why they make us feel great to. Just consider this scenario for a moment..<br><br><br>
We all know that we originated in Africa where our hairy, big brained, fruit eating cousins still hang..and that throughout a span of tens of millions of years we began incorporating higher amounts of fruit into our diet. We also know food affects brain size ( <a href="http://kowb1290.com/diet-affect-brain-size/" target="_blank">http://kowb1290.com/diet-affect-brain-size/</a> ) and that fruit is one of the most, if not the most complex and and nutritious foods on the entire planet. (and unsurprisingly our brains are now <a href="http://discovermagazine.com/2010/sep/25-modern-humans-smart-why-brain-shrinking" target="_blank">shrinking</a>)<br><br>
This companionship with fruit was extremely unique in that the food itself is a developmental environment for the seeds, meaning its like a womb wherein the thousands of chemicals inside are influencing what is developing. Through our diet this these were then incorporated into our own developmental environments (womb) and had extremely unique affects, which are shown by our uniqueness compared to most other mammals and our insanely large and complex brains.
 

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The chemical complexity of a single fruit is unimaginable, and many of these molecules are transcription modifiers; meaning they are involved in chemically reading the DNA and changing how it is expressed..In other words, they alter how literally everything from cells to organs to brains are built- since this is all mediated through the transcription process.<br><br>
Thousands upon thousands of these fruit chemicals flooded the womb the entire time the DNA was building the child because the mother was eating this cocktail of fruit bio-chemistry..and the blood of the mother literally is the blood of the fetus. This extended until after birth via breastfeeding where the same DNA reading chemicals would also be present.. And then on into life as the child began to eat by itself and acquire them directly. ( and yes mothers diet can result in life long affects. I.E. <a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0616151748.htm" target="_blank">http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0616151748.htm</a> ) These transcription chemicals, like flavonoids for example, are not only endocrine system modulators, but also MAOI (which do various amazing things in themselves) , anti-oxidants, and inhibitors of aromatase- meaning they inhibit some of our testosterone and other sex hormones which also has a monumental affect on what develops..plus a surplus has been linked to various problems and even brain damage. Not only that, but its also proven that these fruit chemicals stimulate pineal gland and brain activity.. Which creates a circular loop since this results in more transcription modifying chemicals being produced by the pineal (which are very unique and do many things similar to the fruit chemicals), and hence more brain activity, and on and on it goes amplifying over generations in a positive feedback loop.<br><br>
We also know our brains mysteriously exploded in both its size and complexity faster than any other organ in any animal in the ENTIRE ARCHEOLOGICAL RECORD..and that now they have suddenly stalled and are shrinking. <a href="http://discovermagazine.com/2010/sep...t-why-brain-sh" target="_blank">http://discovermagazine.com/2010/sep...t-why-brain-sh</a>...<br><br>
If this all sounds confusing just read the book, as it explains it lays this all out and is easier to grasp in full..<br><br><br>
It seems to me that its no coincidence the most sensitive and complex tissue in the known universe - our brains-evolved during a symbiosis with the most complex orchestra of food we have ever seen flooding it for millions upon millions of years. These chemicals were housed in the fruit itself which literally is a womb with its own array of chemicals which became virtually one with our own neural system, 24/7, for evolutionary time scales.. We literally fused into this system for millenia. How could suddenly removing virtually ALL of the thousands of chemicals that were actively involved in reading the DNA and thus drastically altering how our entire organism is built NOT make an absolutely humungous difference?<br><br>
If NASA was to dramatically change how they read or interpreted ( aka transcription) the blueprint(DNA) of a space shuttle, and then went about building it that way, would any sane person seriously think it would function as it did before? Say, if they used plastic or wood instead and goldschlager vodka as fuel? The human brain is light years beyond any technology we have created in its sheer complexity and sensitivity to even minute changes in its chemical make up (as any person who's taken mere micrograms of lsd, a few puffs of marijuana, or a few stiff drinks knows!)..and this is on a scale of millions upon millions of years and bam..suddenly our DNA looses basically all these transcription chemicals and its read totally different. Meaning the structure it produces would be extremely different as a consequence.
 

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There is a ton of evidence for this. Even most mainstream myths, religions, ancient tales, ect, talk of this exact scenario, albeit in poetic right-brained lingo. A past golden age. The fall of mankind. The garden of Eden. Basically our naked, harmonious, forest dwelling, fruit eating, paradisaical past.<br><br><br>
Most relatively aware people all intuitively know our society is insane, at least on some level. But science has recently stumbled upon a mountain of information that supports this being an actual neurological condition, although it focuses on tiny details and never realizes how all these fit together into a broader context..Just realizing our brains stopped they're mysteriously fast expansion, are now possibly shrinking, that diet affects brain size, and our diet is now totally different should be enough to make us ask some questions and set some alarm bells off. But ironically it almost never is, which is almost a sign of how numb we have become.<br><br>
Katherine Milton has found that our diets generally now contain only 5% of what they used to when we lived in Africa..This has huge implications in light of what we now know about our symbiosis and previous diets and its probably even less for most people these days stuck on processed garbage. That means we lost 95% + of the thousands upon thousands of transcription modifying chemicals, and for many they've lost basically all of it and replaced it with harmful substitutes..some of which seem to even cause the opposite of brain expansion- brain damage <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1173487.html" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1173487.html</a><br><br>
We also need to realize there is many many more things we would have been getting on this diet that we've now lost. Our primate relatives still get roughly 3 to 4 thousand milligrams of vitamin C, a very important antioxidant that has many functions, and is concentrated mostly around the brain and spinal cord. The daily recommendation in the U.S. these days is 53 milligrams..and we probably used to get at least 3-4 thousand mg while evolving, since our closest primate relative still in africa get around this amount today. There is also a massive amounts of evidence showing we are fruigivores <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/17111888/S...s-Are-Frugivor" target="_blank">http://www.scribd.com/doc/17111888/S...s-Are-Frugivor</a><br><br>
There are also many hints of higher functioning. Many altered states hint at this..Then things like speed reading - there is people who can read paragraphs or pages in mere seconds and retain 100% of it, or both pages of an open book at once-, photographic memory, meditation states, various 'savant' abilities, near perfect memory (think rainman) ect. ect. Here is just a few glimpses of some of these abilities.. <a href="http://wastedatwork.com/beer/b1tKA.jpg" target="_blank">http://wastedatwork.com/beer/b1tKA.jpg</a> there is tons of neurological data presented in the book.
 

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recent interview with the author<br><br><a href="http://www.disinfo.com/2012/04/planthuman-symbiosis-and-the-fall-of-humanity-interview-with-tony-wright/" target="_blank">http://www.disinfo.com/2012/04/plant...h-tony-wright/</a>
 

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I'm definitely in favor of a fruit-based (and greens) diet. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I'm in the middle of reading Left In The Dark right now. It's an excellent book and makes an awful lot of sense. I'm already basing my caloric intake around fruit and enjoying feeling great both physically and mentally, this book has just added to the arguments for me that a fruit based diet is the way to go.
 

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cool richie, yeah i can't wait to read the updated and revised version when it comes out<br><br>
for those interested <a href="http://leftinthedark.org.uk/sites/default/files/Left%20in%20the%20Dark%20free%20edition.pdf" target="_blank">http://leftinthedark.org.uk/sites/de...%20edition.pdf</a><br><br>
spread it around folks <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">
 

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I was thinking. A lot of people think our society is basically insane, to various degrees. I think the more insane someone thinks it is, the more aware of our situation they are.<br><br>
When looking for the reason for all this insane behavior, what are the options? If there was any evidence at all that we were all suffering from some sort of species wide developmental problem with our brains, wouldn't that be the most obvious option for explaining this global insanity?
 

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Thanks for this interesting info. I find it fascinating one because I'm interested in trying a raw, fruit based diet and two because I'm an anthropology major. You posted a lot of stuff and I didn't read through everything 100% but I will soon. I'm checking out some of the links now.<br><br>
You guys might be interested in this guys website. He argues that humans are mostly frugivores as well and has a bunch of great articles. He offers a critique to Kathrine Miltons theory that meat eating caused are brain to grow.<br><a href="http://www.ecologos.org/ttdd.html" target="_blank">http://www.ecologos.org/ttdd.html</a><br><br>
This one is really good, albeit a little lengthy!<br><a href="http://www.ecologos.org/wrangham.htm" target="_blank">http://www.ecologos.org/wrangham.htm</a>
 

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<p>bump!!</p>
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<p>Seriously, check out this book. Everyone i know who has reported it was probably the most important and mind blowing thing they've ever read</p>
 

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<p>I just finished the book. Couldn't stop reading. VERY interesting! Quite possibly the most interesting read of my life. So many questions answered... Insane the number of varying topics it touches on, and yet everything flows smoothly and makes so much sense. Thank you very much Hagbard Celine!</p>
 
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