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I know that too much protein can be bad for you. And I know that not all soy products are manufactured in a way that makes the finished product very healthy, so too much of *those* products can't be good for you, either.<br><br><br><br>
Besides the protein thing, I don't know if soy can be bad for you. I'd think probably yes. Too much of *anything* can be bad for you. Right?
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Arainu</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I know that not all soy products are manufactured in a way that makes the finished product very healthy, so too much of *those* products can't be good for you, either.<br></div>
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Oh really? I'm still in the process of transitioning to vegetarian and it would be a great help if you could elaborate on this a little.
 

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I know soy protein isolate is procressed using hexane and benzene, though neither of these chemicals are detectable in the finished product. Soy protein isolate, though, is a highly processed food.<br><br><br><br>
Healthier soy products include edamame, tempeh,miso,and tofu, which I've listed in order of amount of processing involved.
 

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Oh really? I'm still in the process of transitioning to vegetarian and it would be a great help if you could elaborate on this a little.</div>
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Well, think of organic food products and health food stores in general. There's a bit of a health craze going on, isn't there? More and more people are buying organic, and more and more are even turning to veg* diets. Some larger companies have caught wind of that, I think, and are shelving products to grab what little money us poor, starving veg*'s have. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thumbsdown.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":down:"><br><br><br><br>
Tofu, for example. It seems fine. I mean, who would think that tofu could be bad for you? All those crazy hippies eat it! It has to be good! Crazy barefoot hippies! (the ironic bit is that I am very much a self-proclaimed 'crazy hippie' <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/beatnik2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":beatnik:"> ). However, not all soy beans are grown organically. Some have as many pesticides and fertilizers as all those other icky vegetables you find in large grocery stores. Once processed, all of that goes into the finished tofu product.<br><br><br><br>
I've seen 'organic tofu", I've seen "low-fat tofu"; I've eaten fresh and oh-so-tasty tofu, and I've had tofu that sat on a supermarket shelf for many months and tasted like cardboard (possibly filled with preservatives? who knows). Its like any product. Be mindful, read the labels, know where your food comes from. Because someone out there has made a cash crop of soybeans and just wants to make a profit.<br><br><br><br>
You know... and this is the crazy hippie talkin', ok... its not impossible to make your own tofu. Its actually pretty easy - some cooking/baking recipes are more demanding than this. You could start by mashing soybeans into a liquid, or even start from a carton of soymilk that you bought from a store. Tofu is just bean curds. You boil the milk, remove the curds, put them in something to shape it (a rectangular object, for example). I haven't done it myself yet, but it sounds fun and rewarding.<br><br><br><br>
you can about the whole process here:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://forums.egullet.org/index.php?showtopic=44086" target="_blank">http://forums.egullet.org/index.php?showtopic=44086</a><br><br><br><br>
And now that I've bored you with my endless ranting <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/lipsrsealed2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":sealed:"> , I'm off to bed! Goodnight! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/dozey.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":tired:"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sleeping.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":sleep:">
 

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Can too much soy cause health problems?</div>
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The jury is still out on this one. The simple answer to your question is that we just dont know. More research is needed on the effects of isoflavones on the human body. But I would be willing to bet a months pay that on a gram-for-gram basis, ingesting soy protein is far less detrimental than ingesting beef protein or casein. <a href="http://wellnessletter.com/html/wl/2002/wlFeatured1102.html" target="_blank">This brief synopsis</a> pretty much sums up what we currently know about the effects of soy on human homeostasis.
 

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People have been eating tofu for about 900 years-- did they live miserable, diseased lives and die young? Did they eat it because it was the only food around and they had to eat it or die? Japanese people today eat a lot of tofu, but the main protien source is fish, and in China it is pork. You need to find pockets of life-long vegetarians to find out what ails them. The only negitive reports I've read is that the plant estrogens in soy are very high, and if you plan to have kids, you need to lay off the tofu for a few months.<br><br><br><br>
Oh and I tried to make tofu. It is hard to do, not easy.
 

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Thanks for the information back and Arainu. That article was very interesting. It's amazing that even the "health foods" are being infiltrated by the same garbage that the food industry puts in meat and such. Very distressing.
 
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